Pau Gasol

TheGlove said:

NOGAFATNBA

dnc said:

TheGlove said:

NOGAFATNBA

Still sandy about the world cup elimination I see.

allpurpleallgold said:

Right. Pau "bailed" Kobe out. 6-16 shooting, 7-13 from the line in game 7. What a performance. It's not like Kobe averaged 10 more points per game in that series. Let's not forget Pau's 13 point performance in a game 3 win. Really bailed Kobe out there. There was also game 5 that the Lakers lost by 6 where Kobe went for 38 and Pau went for 12. Really bailed Kobe out there. And not to be forgotten is the 11 rebounds Pau averaged over the course of that series, 3 more than guard Kobe Bryant.

Stick to calling in to Softy's show. More your speed.

TheGlove said:

allpurpleallgold said:

Right. Pau "bailed" Kobe out. 6-16 shooting, 7-13 from the line in game 7. What a performance. It's not like Kobe averaged 10 more points per game in that series. Let's not forget Pau's 13 point performance in a game 3 win. Really bailed Kobe out there. There was also game 5 that the Lakers lost by 6 where Kobe went for 38 and Pau went for 12. Really bailed Kobe out there. And not to be forgotten is the 11 rebounds Pau averaged over the course of that series, 3 more than guard Kobe Bryant.

Stick to calling in to Softy's show. More your speed.

Big boner for Kobe Bryant huh? Do you fap to a Kobe Fathead in your mom's purple and gold basement?

I have no dog in this fight at all because nogafatnba, but are points scored the only measure of a player's contribution?

No, I didn't think so.

CuntWaffle said:

Kobe haters sure are funny. Always trying to convince people he hasn't won any rings and shit.

#ButHeHadShaq

#ButHeHadPau

Lather, rinse, repeat.

RoadDawg55 said:

I don't think Gasol is even that good anymore, but he would be a great fit with OKC. Basketball wise, that's the perfect spot for him. Someone will pay him more though. If OKC was smart they would amnesty Perkins and roll with Gasol and Adams at center. If they amnestied Perkins, they would free up another 9 million. Give Gasol a 1 yr 10 million deal with a mutual option for year 2. It's OKC though, and you know they won't.

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

Over the entire series Gasol shot 48% while Kobe shot 40%. Gasol also averaged 3.6 more rebounds per game and only 0.2 less assists per game. He had 2 less TO per game than Kobe. Kobe did average 10 more ppg but took 10 more shots per game.

For the entire series, Pau's +/- was 2 more than Kobe's. In game 7, Pau was +7 while Kobe was even. Pau was also +5 more than Kobe in game 6. So with the Lakers down 3-2 in the series, Pau was +6 per game better than Kobe those last 2 games including +7 in the pivotal game 7!

The other numbers are more startling. Kobe scored 4 more points that game but with 2 more Ft's and 8 more Fg's. Not only was his 6-24 near disastrous but he had 2 less assists than Pau and 3 more turnovers. Kobe's 15 rebounds were great, but 3 less than Gasol.

Kobe's a great player for sure but fans like yourself pump him up to an echelon he does not deserve to be in. After they lost Shaq they played 500 ball for 3 years and couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs. Pau shows up and they go to 3 Finals in a row. The numbers above are also quite clear. Yes, Pau did save Kobe's legacy and the Lakers have treated him like shit. Good night.

RoadDawg55 said:

I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.

Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.

Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.

allpurpleallgold said:

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

Over the entire series Gasol shot 48% while Kobe shot 40%. Gasol also averaged 3.6 more rebounds per game and only 0.2 less assists per game. He had 2 less TO per game than Kobe. Kobe did average 10 more ppg but took 10 more shots per game.

For the entire series, Pau's +/- was 2 more than Kobe's. In game 7, Pau was +7 while Kobe was even. Pau was also +5 more than Kobe in game 6. So with the Lakers down 3-2 in the series, Pau was +6 per game better than Kobe those last 2 games including +7 in the pivotal game 7!

The other numbers are more startling. Kobe scored 4 more points that game but with 2 more Ft's and 8 more Fg's. Not only was his 6-24 near disastrous but he had 2 less assists than Pau and 3 more turnovers. Kobe's 15 rebounds were great, but 3 less than Gasol.

Kobe's a great player for sure but fans like yourself pump him up to an echelon he does not deserve to be in. After they lost Shaq they played 500 ball for 3 years and couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs. Pau shows up and they go to 3 Finals in a row. The numbers above are also quite clear. Yes, Pau did save Kobe's legacy and the Lakers have treated him like shit. Good night.

You have literally no idea how to use plus/minus numbers.

Hey look, Michael Beasley, Rashard Lewis, Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, Dwyane Wade, Toney Douglas, Shane Battier, Ray Allen and Birdman are better than Lebron. http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400559378

Oh look again, LEBRON IS THE WORST PLAYER ON THE ENTIRE HEAT ROSTER. http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400559377

AGAIN http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400559376

Startling.

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.

Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.

Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.

The problem with the "Pau saved Kobe" argument is it assumes Mark wouldn't have become a great player in LA. LA doesn't win those two titles without Pau, but they could have easily won at least that many since then, and be a real contender for this year's if they had Mark.

It also acts like every great player didn't need great teammates. MJ needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale, Magic needed Kareem, etc. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade too, btw.

Yes, Kobe needed another very good player on his team, but I'd argue Pau was inferior to any of those other "Robins".

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.

Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.

Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.

The problem with the "Pau saved Kobe" argument is it assumes Mark wouldn't have become a great player in LA. LA doesn't win those two titles without Pau, but they could have easily won at least that many since then, and be a real contender for this year's if they had Mark.

It also acts like every great player didn't need great teammates. MJ needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale, Magic needed Kareem, etc. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade too, btw.

Yes, Kobe needed another very good player on his team, but I'd argue Pau was inferior to any of those other "Robins".

Not buying it with Marc. Good player, but until this year it was probably a stretch to say he's better than Pau. Bynum was probably better 3 years ago as well until his knees shit out. He was getting 18 and 12 in 11-12. They also had Dwight Howard for a year. Marc doesn't fit a well with Bynum/Howard as Pau.

There are too man variables to really know, but I don't see how they would have won multiple titles with Marc. He wasn't the difference maker for a title the past 4 years.

Mark has been better than Pau for three years, at least. He was significantly better the last two years. If you really don't think Mark passed Pau as best Gasol until this year you haven't been paying attention. Jake Almighty, Mark had Pau 11.5 win shares to 3.5 in 2012-13. They weren't even comparable players.

And Mark fits fine with a post up big. He plays the high post for Memphis with Z Bo on the low block.

#GrizzliesSuperiorityGuy