Remember now, Charter Schools are failures
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Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate -
Agreed.PurpleThrobber said:
Yup -TurdBomber said:
I'd pay up to 150% of what I'm currently paying in taxes, just to have schools that worked and had accountability. Apparently, so would most people.Sledog said:Charter school here in CDA has top numbers and does it with less money. Sounds like a win.
Almost need to take this to @creepycoug's high brow finance board. ROI, who knew?!?! -
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate -
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out. -
Yep. I also saw it in law school, where reaching for a kid who isn't ready can be a particularly rude awakening. The skills you need in law school are harder to tutor and practice while you're there. Unlike math, law school draws on your ability to read a lot, get it, and move on. It also requires good writing skills, and the kids who do well tend to be, for a lack of a better term, "informed" and a little more "worldly" than the average person. They have a basic understanding of government systems, they they're decently well read, they have good vocabulary, etc. etc. In fact, sometimes kids who were engineers and were shielded from classes that pushed them on these other skills sometimes struggle too.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
UW LS has always punched above its rankings weight in terms of how hard it is to get in. The numbers were comparable to much higher ranked schools like Duke or Georgetown. During my years, just before Initiative 200 passed in WA, the LS reached really far down the order for diversity candidates. Presumably because any AA or NA or Hispanic kid with talent would often (not always) go to higher ranked schools like UCLA or Boalt or one of many back east. Two of them I'm thinking about now really, really struggled. It was 3 years of obvious hell. They have have a JD, but I am sure that the experience did them no favors, and neither are practicing attorneys.
There's another version of affirmative action to which I'm not opposed, but that's a different thread. -
IDK the history of Michelle all that well, or at all, because she's not a character I've found even remotely interesting. Her husband is another matter.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
Yes, having a degree from Princeton, no matter where you graduated in the order or how awful it was for you, does just give you that credibility and deference from people. And they'll get you through. In this respect, the Ivy League has done a remarkable job of marketing. Everyone assumes they are the hardest and most academically intense places on earth to study, which is a bit of an exaggeration.
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So its racist. Got it.creepycoug said:
Yep. I also saw it in law school, where reaching for a kid who isn't ready can be a particularly rude awakening. The skills you need in law school are harder to tutor and practice while you're there. Unlike math, law school draws on your ability to read a lot, get it, and move on. It also requires good writing skills, and the kids who do well tend to be, for a lack of a better term, "informed" and a little more "worldly" than the average person. They have a basic understanding of government systems, they they're decently well read, they have good vocabulary, etc. etc. In fact, sometimes kids who were engineers and were shielded from classes that pushed them on these other skills sometimes struggle too.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
UW LS has always punched above its rankings weight in terms of how hard it is to get in. The numbers were comparable to much higher ranked schools like Duke or Georgetown. During my years, just before Initiative 200 passed in WA, the LS reached really far down the order for diversity candidates. Presumably because any AA or NA or Hispanic kid with talent would often (not always) go to higher ranked schools like UCLA or Boalt or one of many back east. Two of them I'm thinking about now really, really struggled. It was 3 years of obvious hell. They have have a JD, but I am sure that the experience did them no favors, and neither are practicing attorneys.
There's another version of affirmative action to which I'm not opposed, but that's a different thread. -
A nearly perfect synopsis.Pitchfork51 said:
So its racist. Got it.creepycoug said:
Yep. I also saw it in law school, where reaching for a kid who isn't ready can be a particularly rude awakening. The skills you need in law school are harder to tutor and practice while you're there. Unlike math, law school draws on your ability to read a lot, get it, and move on. It also requires good writing skills, and the kids who do well tend to be, for a lack of a better term, "informed" and a little more "worldly" than the average person. They have a basic understanding of government systems, they they're decently well read, they have good vocabulary, etc. etc. In fact, sometimes kids who were engineers and were shielded from classes that pushed them on these other skills sometimes struggle too.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
UW LS has always punched above its rankings weight in terms of how hard it is to get in. The numbers were comparable to much higher ranked schools like Duke or Georgetown. During my years, just before Initiative 200 passed in WA, the LS reached really far down the order for diversity candidates. Presumably because any AA or NA or Hispanic kid with talent would often (not always) go to higher ranked schools like UCLA or Boalt or one of many back east. Two of them I'm thinking about now really, really struggled. It was 3 years of obvious hell. They have have a JD, but I am sure that the experience did them no favors, and neither are practicing attorneys.
There's another version of affirmative action to which I'm not opposed, but that's a different thread. -
Only because she was being crammed down our throats and a great intellect and legal superstar did I bother to look any deeper. She struggled at school and her work was mediocre at best. The most concise assessment of Michelle's academic career was penned by the late Christopher Hitchens when he commented on her Senior thesis.creepycoug said:
IDK the history of Michelle all that well, or at all, because she's not a character I've found even remotely interesting. Her husband is another matter.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
Yes, having a degree from Princeton, no matter where you graduated in the order or how awful it was for you, does just give you that credibility and deference from people. And they'll get you through. In this respect, the Ivy League has done a remarkable job of marketing. Everyone assumes they are the hardest and most academically intense places on earth to study, which is a bit of an exaggeration.
I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University. Its title (rather limited in scope, given the author and the campus) is "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be "read" at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn't written in any known language.
Michelle knew that she had only gotten into Princeton due to her skin color and it fostered a deep seated resentment in her against whites that she still totes around to this day.
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Quite honestly, I don't have a big problem with affirmative action or giving a hand up to those who may not have started at the same spot on the social/economic/coolness scale.SFGbob said:
Only because she was being crammed down our throats and a great intellect and legal superstar did I bother to look any deeper. She struggled at school and her work was mediocre at best. The most concise assessment of Michelle's academic career was penned by the late Christopher Hitchens when he commented on her Senior thesis.creepycoug said:
IDK the history of Michelle all that well, or at all, because she's not a character I've found even remotely interesting. Her husband is another matter.SFGbob said:
I'm sure you've seen the numbers where they take kids who would have done perfectly fine in a lower tier academic setting like a Cal State or even a UC Santa Cruz and put them into Berkeley on account of their skin color and they sink like a stone and either end up dropping out or they gravitate toward some worthless Black studies major. Of course their failure is then blamed on systemic white racism and white supremacy.creepycoug said:
One of the many challenges presented by affirmative action. That, and the incredible imposter syndrome it creates in its beneficiaries.SFGbob said:
Yeah, that few if any of the kids from Oakland Unified are qualified to attend. But don't worry, we'll get them in with affirmative action and they'll have no problem competing against the best of the best.creepycoug said:
That is an abortion. 75%. JFC. And just down the road from what is universally acknowledged as the greatest public university on the planet.SFGbob said:Here's the system Kobe wants to maintain:
Here is what the Oakland Tribune had to say in 2003 around the performance of students in OUSD, during the early charter years, compared to the most recent data found in the current OUSD LCAP.
Thousands of Oakland high school students and parents celebrated graduation this month. But 75 percent of the ninth-graders on the books in 1998 had nothing to celebrate on graduation day four years later, according to new school district records released to The Oakland Tribune…
The district’s new records show Oakland almost totally failed to graduate students with the credits they need to get into state universities or University of California schools. Only 7 percent of the freshmen who started school in 1998 graduated four years later with the classes they need on their transcripts to get into state or UC schools. For African-American students, that percentage shrinks to less than 3 percent… That means fewer than three out of every 100 black freshmen graduated on time from city schools with enough credits to get into college. The numbers are even lower for black male students.
The Good Old Days-1.7% UC/CSU eligibility for Black males, .5% eligibility for Latino males, a 1% reclassification rate
Btw, this is exactly what happened to Michelle Obama except being admitted to an Ivy, especially if you have the correct skin tone, means you're never going to flunk out.
Yes, having a degree from Princeton, no matter where you graduated in the order or how awful it was for you, does just give you that credibility and deference from people. And they'll get you through. In this respect, the Ivy League has done a remarkable job of marketing. Everyone assumes they are the hardest and most academically intense places on earth to study, which is a bit of an exaggeration.
I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University. Its title (rather limited in scope, given the author and the campus) is "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be "read" at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn't written in any known language.
Michelle knew that she had only gotten into Princeton due to her skin color and it fostered a deep seated resentment in her against whites that she still totes around to this day.
In fact, it will fuel me. Because life is a race and I'll grind it out and kick your ass over time. IDNGAF if you have an Ivy degree or you were born into abject poverty. Let's get it on and be the best we can be.
I do have a problem if over and over and over again, you want to restart the game because you missed kickoff. Or didn't understand that the scorekeeper just put 2 more touchdowns on your side of the scoreboard.
And the same holds true for homeless people or drug addicts or whoever, regardless of color. Get up to where you can go mano a mano and then quit whining if you can't keep up.
