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Rats set $1.9 TRILLION vote on Covid payouts to donors at 2am tonight
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Struggling taxpayers who get ZERO out of this bill if they made more than $75,000 in 2019 yet they get to pay for public pensions of government workers who haven’t missed on fucking paycheck in a year. It’s a joke and the Leftists here defending it are so economically illiterate it’s actually concerning.SFGbob said:
Yeah if you're completely irresponsible fiscally the bill is great. Why shouldn't taxpayers bailout public employee union pensions funds?TheKobeStopper said:
There’s a bunch of money going to things like childcare, rent assistance, re opening schools, unemployment insurance that’s not being counted as “relief”. Most dems are still liberals who bow to their corporate masters but the bill is not bad.DerekJohnson said:a Covid relief bill where reportedly only 9% goes to relief
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The lie that still gets repeated by Rats is that public employees make less money than private sector employees so they need a pension system as opposed to a 401K. While that may have been true 30 years ago it's no longer true and there are plenty of government jobs that pay more than the equivalent private sector job.NorthwestFresh said:
Struggling taxpayers who get ZERO out of this bill if they made more than $75,000 in 2019 yet they get to pay for public pensions of government workers who haven’t missed on fucking paycheck in a year. It’s a joke and the Leftists here defending it are so economically illiterate it’s actually concerning.SFGbob said:
Yeah if you're completely irresponsible fiscally the bill is great. Why shouldn't taxpayers bailout public employee union pensions funds?TheKobeStopper said:
There’s a bunch of money going to things like childcare, rent assistance, re opening schools, unemployment insurance that’s not being counted as “relief”. Most dems are still liberals who bow to their corporate masters but the bill is not bad.DerekJohnson said:a Covid relief bill where reportedly only 9% goes to relief
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There are veteran kindergarten teachers in Portland Public Schools who make over $100,000 a year, and they get teaching aides to help. Tell me why they can’t fund their own retirements? The average salary in PPS is $65,000 plus full benefits. Why do I have to pay for their retirement? Further, why do I have to pay for bankrupt pensions in New York and California? This is outright theft by the Democrats and their media gaslights some aspects and outright ignores other parts of the criminal enterprise in DC right now.SFGbob said:
The lie that still gets repeated by Rats is that public employees make less money than private sector employees so they need a pension system as opposed to a 401K. While that may have been true 30 years ago it's no longer true and there are plenty of government jobs that pay more than the equivalent private sector job.NorthwestFresh said:
Struggling taxpayers who get ZERO out of this bill if they made more than $75,000 in 2019 yet they get to pay for public pensions of government workers who haven’t missed on fucking paycheck in a year. It’s a joke and the Leftists here defending it are so economically illiterate it’s actually concerning.SFGbob said:
Yeah if you're completely irresponsible fiscally the bill is great. Why shouldn't taxpayers bailout public employee union pensions funds?TheKobeStopper said:
There’s a bunch of money going to things like childcare, rent assistance, re opening schools, unemployment insurance that’s not being counted as “relief”. Most dems are still liberals who bow to their corporate masters but the bill is not bad.DerekJohnson said:a Covid relief bill where reportedly only 9% goes to relief
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So a permanent minimum wage increase is relief? Good try thoughTheKobeStopper said:
I can’t think of how a wage increase, to essential front line workers, applies to Covid relief.greenblood said:
You seem surprised. I’m proud of Biden to even make it close to double digits. When his dumb ass tried to pass a minimum wage law into a relief bill, I knew this thing was full of crap.DerekJohnson said:a Covid relief bill where reportedly only 9% goes to relief
Hey Kobe, explain how a minimum wage law applied to Covid relief.
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It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory -
San Francisco can implement their own minimum wage. Oh wait, they did!Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
Now let’s see how a federally mandated $15 an hour works in Two Dot, Montana.
https://sfgov.org/olse/minimum-wage-ordinance-mwo
Employees that perform work in San Francisco, including part-time and temporary employees, must be paid no less than the San Francisco minimum wage, currently $16.07 per hour. -
That’s why there’s low income.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
California can continue to set a higher standard like some 40 other states already do. The federal government should have nothing to do with it. $15 minimum wage is a state issue not a federal issue. -
The minimum wage should be zero. Labor supply and demand sets the real wage.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory -
I don’t agree with that but it should be a local and state issue and not a federal issue to decide on it.Southerndawg said:
The minimum wage should be zero. Labor supply and demand sets the real wage.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory -
By the way, my local 7-11 has a sign up asking for workers starting at $16/hr plus benefits after a month. Again, it’s a market thing, and not federally mandated.
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NorthwestFresh said:
I don’t agree with that but it should be a local and state issue and not a federal issue to decide on it.Southerndawg said:
The minimum wage should be zero. Labor supply and demand sets the real wage.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
I'm not sure what it is you don't agree with. The market is setting the starting wage at 7-11 and you seem to recognize that reality.NorthwestFresh said:By the way, my local 7-11 has a sign up asking for workers starting at $16/hr plus benefits after a month. Again, it’s a market thing, and not federally mandated.
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I do. Which is why the federal government should have no say in dramatically raising it in some states. My Two Dot, MT example is an example. That micro-economy would shut down all small businesses there if a minimum was $15.Southerndawg said:NorthwestFresh said:
I don’t agree with that but it should be a local and state issue and not a federal issue to decide on it.Southerndawg said:
The minimum wage should be zero. Labor supply and demand sets the real wage.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
I'm not sure what it is you don't agree with. The market is setting the starting wage at 7-11 and you seem to recognize that reality.NorthwestFresh said:By the way, my local 7-11 has a sign up asking for workers starting at $16/hr plus benefits after a month. Again, it’s a market thing, and not federally mandated.
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More like I'm just shaking my headgreenblood said:
You seem surprised. I’m proud of Biden to even make it close to double digits. When his dumb ass tried to pass a minimum wage law into a relief bill, I knew this thing was full of crap.DerekJohnson said:a Covid relief bill where reportedly only 9% goes to relief
Hey Kobe, explain how a minimum wage law applied to Covid relief. -
That bill was more like, "oh...yeah, we need to throw some morsels related to COVID in there or the peasants will scream".
Guess what?
They are.
The jig is up, swamp rats.
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It's the unanswerable question and all you need to know. Same argument with taxes and government spending. If there is a mathematical sweet spot that is higher than the current numbers, what is it and how did you arrive at it? @thekobestopper. Your silence in the second half of this thread speaks volumes.Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory -
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SouthernDawg did his little strawman with the hyperbolic $50 an hour thing.NorthwestFresh said:
San Francisco can implement their own minimum wage. Oh wait, they did!Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
Now let’s see how a federally mandated $15 an hour works in Two Dot, Montana.
https://sfgov.org/olse/minimum-wage-ordinance-mwo
Employees that perform work in San Francisco, including part-time and temporary employees, must be paid no less than the San Francisco minimum wage, currently $16.07 per hour.
I'm saying there should be a fed base line of $10 or 11 an hour. Obviously in Oklahoma or bumbfuck SEC cuntry, the cost of living is lower than in bigger cities -
Even if the minimum wage was set at $7.25 an hour in SF, and it's not, you still wouldn't have people being paid that wage in SF. You'd never get a single employee paying that wage. That's why even before they raised the minimum wage statewide to $15 an hour most workers even in fast food places were already making more than that in SF.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It costs $2,500 or something outrageous for a 450 square foot apartment in San Fransicko. Should the minimum wage be $7.25 there?Southerndawg said:
Why stop at $18 an hour? If $18/hour is good $50/hour would be great, no? C'mon man, "Build Back Better".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
It should be $18 an hour in shitholes like SF, Seattle, and NY.Pitchfork51 said:I'm still for the 15 and hour. Should be 20. But they throw the fucking pork in and it pisses me off
It should be $11 in most flyover places like hell Paso and SEC territory
And the cost of the local rental market shouldn't have anything to do with the minimum wage.
