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Why is Trump claiming the only thing wrong with government housing is that the right people aren't running it?TheKobeStopper said:
Somebody should tell Trump that.SFGbob said:
The choice act isn't what cleaned up the VA but nice try dumbass.TheKobeStopper said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-president-trump-pass-va-choice-act-he-says-1563201?amp=1SFGbob said:
Liberals love power. They suck at running the government. Government schools, government housing, government run healthcare are all garbage. Look what the Government did to the VA. Hate Trump all you like but he did make that crappy system better something no Rat or Republican was able to do before him.TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
You're not going to fix it. You'll make it more expense and you'll make it suck even more there is no way you'll ever fix it because you don't have a fucking clue about what caused it to suck in the first place.
You were busying cheering the wonders of government housing but the reality is you'd never live it and you'd run as fast as you could if you were ever forced to live in it. But in your pea sized brain the problems with government housing is because we just don't have the right people running it, which completely ignores all of the real reasons why it sucks. -
pawz said:
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You mean the ones NOT taking money from the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma??TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
Good luck with that.
You could get me to support a M4A of you created real, market-based competition to drive down pricing.
As we? covered, good luck with that.
Healthcare is an inelastic good. Your market forces mumbo jumbo doesn’t work. This is a fact and it is beyond dispute. -
This is how we? know you aren't a deep thinker.TheKobeStopper said:pawz said:.
You mean the ones NOT taking money from the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma??TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
Good luck with that.
You could get me to support a M4A of you created real, market-based competition to drive down pricing.
As we? covered, good luck with that.
Healthcare is an inelastic good. Your market forces mumbo jumbo doesn’t work. This is a fact and it is beyond dispute.
The only part of medicine that is truly inelastic is actual emergency services - heart attack, stroke, snapped a leg in half or otherwise maimed yourself.
ALL the rest of it should work like any other technology that gets cheaper over tim. Like the 80" flat screen on your wall.
But it doesn't.
Why? Because the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma spend BILLIONS lobbying congress every year to create rules ensuring payments and effectuating an artificial monopoly over the market.
Econ 101 - Monopolies only benefit suppliers. Really entry level concept here. One AOC and Bernie seem intent on failing to grasp.
Trump forced hospitals to disclose the cost of care up front. A straight up WIN for the little guy. But since orangeman bad, really super bad, neither you or the MSM paid an ounce of attention to that win for the plebiscite.
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That’s just not what the data says. Kidney transplants are like flat screens tv is a big brain libertarian idea but this is a hard evidence only thread and you don’t have any.
Good on Trump. Sometimes horrible people do good things. -
Big Pharma supporter Helicopter posts gibberish. Film whenever you want on YouTube.TheKobeStopper said:That’s just not what the data says. Kidney transplants are like flat screens tv is a big brain libertarian idea but this is a hard evidence only thread and you don’t have any.
Good on Trump. Sometimes horrible people do good things. -
Things that have gotten substantially cheaper -Lasik eye surgery, breast implants, tummy tucks. None involving the government or insurance. All subject to a lot of advertising which indicates strong competition. Trump started a competitive push. We just need to finish it. When you see advertisement for hip replacement surgeries and the cost you will know it is getting cheaper. Starting to see a little of it with testosterone treatments and ED meds. Need to get everyone on high deductible HSA programs and self-funded HSAs. When you are using other people's money, you don't care about the cost. You do if it is your money.pawz said:
This is how we? know you aren't a deep thinker.TheKobeStopper said:pawz said:.
You mean the ones NOT taking money from the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma??TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
Good luck with that.
You could get me to support a M4A of you created real, market-based competition to drive down pricing.
As we? covered, good luck with that.
Healthcare is an inelastic good. Your market forces mumbo jumbo doesn’t work. This is a fact and it is beyond dispute.
The only part of medicine that is truly inelastic is actual emergency services - heart attack, stroke, snapped a leg in half or otherwise maimed yourself.
ALL the rest of it should work like any other technology that gets cheaper over tim. Like the 80" flat screen on your wall.
But it doesn't.
Why? Because the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma spend BILLIONS lobbying congress every year to create rules ensuring payments and effectuating an artificial monopoly over the market.
Econ 101 - Monopolies only benefit suppliers. Really entry level concept here. One AOC and Bernie seem intent on failing to grasp.
Trump forced hospitals to disclose the cost of care up front. A straight up WIN for the little guy. But since orangeman bad, really super bad, neither you or the MSM paid an ounce of attention to that win for the plebiscite. -
This is a bald faced lieTheKobeStopper said:pawz said:.
You mean the ones NOT taking money from the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma??TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
Good luck with that.
You could get me to support a M4A of you created real, market-based competition to drive down pricing.
As we? covered, good luck with that.
Healthcare is an inelastic good. Your market forces mumbo jumbo doesn’t work. This is a fact and it is beyond dispute.
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The kobe's of the world were stupid. Just like one of BO's "affordable care act" architects admitted publicly. How anyone could get behind this after what Jonathan Gruber admitted is a mystery but here Kobe is, proving Gruber right over and over and over again.
""This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes," he said during a panel discussion at the University of Pennsylvania in October, 2013. "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.” -
But, but the evil Republicans forced them to do that.Bendintheriver said:The kobe's of the world were stupid. Just like one of BO's "affordable care act" architects admitted publicly. How anyone could get behind this after what Jonathan Gruber admitted is a mystery but here Kobe is, proving Gruber right over and over and over again.
""This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes," he said during a panel discussion at the University of Pennsylvania in October, 2013. "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.” -
Yeah, it’s almost like elective surgery and healthcare are two separate things.WestlinnDuck said:
Things that have gotten substantially cheaper -Lasik eye surgery, breast implants, tummy tucks. None involving the government or insurance. All subject to a lot of advertising which indicates strong competition. Trump started a competitive push. We just need to finish it. When you see advertisement for hip replacement surgeries and the cost you will know it is getting cheaper. Starting to see a little of it with testosterone treatments and ED meds. Need to get everyone on high deductible HSA programs and self-funded HSAs. When you are using other people's money, you don't care about the cost. You do if it is your money.pawz said:
This is how we? know you aren't a deep thinker.TheKobeStopper said:pawz said:.
You mean the ones NOT taking money from the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma??TheKobeStopper said:
I think this is a fair position. Republicans hate the government so they try and sabotage it, liberals love the government because they get rich off it but don’t really care if things go wrong.JoeEDangerously said:
I’m all for Medicare for All. The problem I have with it is I know damn well our government will fuck it up with partisan bullshitTheKobeStopper said:This is an example of you guys destroy left wing arguments.
Me “we should do Medicare for all”
You “at what cost?”
Me “well studies show it would be about the same as what we currently pay for healthcare. Some show a little less, some show a little more.”
You “yeah but at what cost???”
Destroyed.
We can’t change this overnight but if we all start supporting better candidates, we can fix it.
Good luck with that.
You could get me to support a M4A of you created real, market-based competition to drive down pricing.
As we? covered, good luck with that.
Healthcare is an inelastic good. Your market forces mumbo jumbo doesn’t work. This is a fact and it is beyond dispute.
The only part of medicine that is truly inelastic is actual emergency services - heart attack, stroke, snapped a leg in half or otherwise maimed yourself.
ALL the rest of it should work like any other technology that gets cheaper over tim. Like the 80" flat screen on your wall.
But it doesn't.
Why? Because the Medical Mafia and Big Pharma spend BILLIONS lobbying congress every year to create rules ensuring payments and effectuating an artificial monopoly over the market.
Econ 101 - Monopolies only benefit suppliers. Really entry level concept here. One AOC and Bernie seem intent on failing to grasp.
Trump forced hospitals to disclose the cost of care up front. A straight up WIN for the little guy. But since orangeman bad, really super bad, neither you or the MSM paid an ounce of attention to that win for the plebiscite.
So far you guys have compared chemo therapy to flat screen TVs and tummy tucks. Stop, it embarrassing.
