TV and greed ruining the game day for fans?
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koopdog said:
Sounds like a question a hipster would ask.ApostleofGrief said:Are you claiming anything out of the mainstream indicates a hipster?
your retort sounds like a hipster retort.
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anyway I don't fucking have a beard.
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I can't decide which of you is hipster superiority guy.
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AoG was before it became cool.ThomasFremont said:I can't decide which of you is hipster superiority guy.
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I had a beard in my 20s, but it wasn't this fucking bullshit mountain man crap in vogue nowCuntWaffle said:
AoG was before it became cool.ThomasFremont said:I can't decide which of you is hipster superiority guy.
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RoadDawg55 said:
That's not an accurate comparison at all. Other than that, good post.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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I tried to read the article but I gave up because it was too long. In other words, tl;dr. I did make it all the way through your post though.MikeDamone said:A lot of merit in what this guy says. Makes me want to consider skipping the crisp fall afternoon with dad and go for a walk to get perspective.
Bottom line is things have been changing and will continue to change in NCAA football. Along with the change what's left of the bowls will soon be gone. What some of is grew up with and what we loved about the game has changed. Not saying thats good or bad so stop twisting. Don't be a twister. But what is true is each person will need to decide for themselves if they enjoy it enough to attend games or even pay attention to the sport.
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ApostleofGrief said:
You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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Neither one want you to know how much they don't want to beThomasFremont said:I can't decide which of you is hipster superiority guy.
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I saw quite a few who looked like that guy when I watched Linfield- Whitworth in 2008. Then again, I've also seen the dawgpack and they aren't any better.
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pics or you lieRoadDawg55 said:I saw quite a few who looked like that guy when I watched Linfield- Whitworth in 2008. Then again, I've also seen the dawgpack and they aren't any better.
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You must not go to Seattle or Portland often.ApostleofGrief said:
well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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I'm calling you on bullshit.... there never has been a guy like that as a football player, a fan, or even a guy selling a fucking program. NO FUCKING WAY.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You must not go to Seattle or Portland often.ApostleofGrief said:
well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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Agree. Go watch a Sounders or Timbers game and you'll see thousands of fags ($75M?) like that.ApostleofGrief said:
I'm calling you on bullshit.... there never has been a guy like that as a football player, a fan, or even a guy selling a fucking program. NO FUCKING WAY.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You must not go to Seattle or Portland often.ApostleofGrief said:
well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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it's no wonder, soccer.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Agree. Go watch a Sounders or Timbers game and you'll see thousands of fags ($75M?) like that.ApostleofGrief said:
I'm calling you on bullshit.... there never has been a guy like that as a football player, a fan, or even a guy selling a fucking program. NO FUCKING WAY.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You must not go to Seattle or Portland often.ApostleofGrief said:
well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule. -
Meh. Sounds like confirmation bias.dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big timfootball to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
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Look, by your argument, you should limit yourself to pro football, since "sports is a matter of talent."dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
the thing I like is you can stand on the sidelines, the clock doesn't stop, the play is good, although not as good as big time college, is still quite good, you can take photos, point blank range, and hear all the conversations, season ticket is $50 with parking,... Look, it's just another outlet. I still go to big time. -
The quality of play in d-3 is terrible though. Why would you want photos? Bellevue would blow out PLU or UPS. You also miss good games on tv by attending those dreckfests.ApostleofGrief said:
Look, by your argument, you should limit yourself to pro football, since "sports is a matter of talent."dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
the thing I like is you can stand on the sidelines, the clock doesn't stop, the play is good, although not as good as big time college, is still quite good, you can take photos, point blank range, and hear all the conversations, season ticket is $50 with parking,... Look, it's just another outlet. I still go to big time. -
see, this is the kind of bullshit some people believe. Going to Husky Stadium is fine. But in order to really get the spectrum of college football you need to get out and see a bit more, not just the big stadiums with flashing McDonalds signs.RoadDawg55 said:
The quality of play in d-3 is terrible though. Why would you want photos? Bellevue would blow out PLU or UPS. You also miss good games on tv by attending those dreckfests.ApostleofGrief said:
Look, by your argument, you should limit yourself to pro football, since "sports is a matter of talent."dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
the thing I like is you can stand on the sidelines, the clock doesn't stop, the play is good, although not as good as big time college, is still quite good, you can take photos, point blank range, and hear all the conversations, season ticket is $50 with parking,... Look, it's just another outlet. I still go to big time. -
The big stadiums with the flashing McDonalds signs are where it's at, like it or not.ApostleofGrief said:
see, this is the kind of bullshit some people believe. Going to Husky Stadium is fine. But in order to really get the spectrum of college football you need to get out and see a bit more, not just the big stadiums with flashing McDonalds signs.RoadDawg55 said:
The quality of play in d-3 is terrible though. Why would you want photos? Bellevue would blow out PLU or UPS. You also miss good games on tv by attending those dreckfests.ApostleofGrief said:
Look, by your argument, you should limit yourself to pro football, since "sports is a matter of talent."dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
the thing I like is you can stand on the sidelines, the clock doesn't stop, the play is good, although not as good as big time college, is still quite good, you can take photos, point blank range, and hear all the conversations, season ticket is $50 with parking,... Look, it's just another outlet. I still go to big time. -
I have no issue with you or anyone taking issue with the commercialization of big time college football. The quality isn't there at the lower levels though, even in the FCS. I attended a very good FCS school that played in two title games while I was there. It's noticeably slower and less physical than BCS football which makes it less enjoyable. Bigger crowds = more excitement as well.ApostleofGrief said:
see, this is the kind of bullshit some people believe. Going to Husky Stadium is fine. But in order to really get the spectrum of college football you need to get out and see a bit more, not just the big stadiums with flashing McDonalds signs.RoadDawg55 said:
The quality of play in d-3 is terrible though. Why would you want photos? Bellevue would blow out PLU or UPS. You also miss good games on tv by attending those dreckfests.ApostleofGrief said:
Look, by your argument, you should limit yourself to pro football, since "sports is a matter of talent."dnc said:
Hi there.ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
Music is a matter of taste. It is quite possible for the musicians in a band in a small club to make better music than the musicians in the band playing the arena. "Success" in music is as much about opportunity and timing and what happens to sell well in the giving season as it is about talent.
Sport, otoh, is a matter of talent. If the players at the small college were as good as the players at the big college, they wouldn't be playing at the small college. Yes, there are a handful of exceptions, but they simply prove the rule.
the thing I like is you can stand on the sidelines, the clock doesn't stop, the play is good, although not as good as big time college, is still quite good, you can take photos, point blank range, and hear all the conversations, season ticket is $50 with parking,... Look, it's just another outlet. I still go to big time.
You are out of your mind if you think PLU could beat Bellevue. There are plenty of kids who aren't even all league high school players that end up as starters at PLU. They would have no answer for the top players on Bellevue like Baker and Jack.
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UPS is not very good.... PLU, they have some BIG guys, good receivers, tough... no HS is beating them, nope.
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If anyone honestly thinks Bellevue could beat PLU, you are so beyond fucking stupid that you need professional help.
Yes, players like Jack and Baker would be fine but what about the other 20 guys that start for Bellevue? 18 of them probably couldn't play for PLU. You're talking about 15-18 year olds beating 20-22 year olds. Fucking forget it. Then there are the schematics. PLU runs more plays out of more formations than all of the Bellevue kids have ever seen combined. I'm comfortable saying PLU would score at least 50 points on Bellevue. Bellevue's DBs would look worse than Chris Massey during the 2001 Holiday Bowl.
PLU isn't as good as they were back in their heyday, but the last two seasons they've been in the D3 playoffs and ranked in the top 25. They're no joke. -
Disagree. I understand what you are saying about 20-22 year olds versus 16-18 years old, but this isn't a fucktarded argument like Alabama vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars. PLU would welcome any starter off Bellevue to play for them except for a few. Off this last Bellevue team, there were 4 Pac 12 players. After that, they have multiple guys that go off to play in the Big Sky, go Ivy, or play for a school like Central. All of those levels are above D-3. Then the junior class has Roberts and a couple other Pac 12 guys, a couple more Big Sky guys, and a couple more Central or Juco guys. I bet over half the starters sign with schools higher than D-3.CheersWestDawg said:If anyone honestly thinks Bellevue could beat PLU, you are so beyond fucking stupid that you need professional help.
Yes, players like Jack and Baker would be fine but what about the other 20 guys that start for Bellevue? 18 of them probably couldn't play for PLU. You're talking about 15-18 year olds beating 20-22 year olds. Fucking forget it. Then there are the schematics. PLU runs more plays out of more formations than all of the Bellevue kids have ever seen combined. I'm comfortable saying PLU would score at least 50 points on Bellevue. Bellevue's DBs would look worse than Chris Massey during the 2001 Holiday Bowl.
PLU isn't as good as they were back in their heyday, but the last two seasons they've been in the D3 playoffs and ranked in the top 25. They're no joke.
It makes sense that some of those guys aren't as good as the PLU players because of the age and maturity difference, but I don't think it's as big as you say. Than you factor in guys like Jack or Baker who would be easily the best player on the field. Give them the ball 30-40 times and they are breaking off some long TD's. I bet a D-3 school would shit to have Butch be their coach too.
D-3 football isn't that great. I've been to a couple of games. My cousin was an above average high school player. He was no better than the 4th or 5th best player on a .500 team in the dreckfest Narrows League. I don't think he ever even made 2nd team all Narrows. He went off to Linfield and was a 3 year starter on a team that was ranked and went to the playoffs every year. There are some years Bellevue is beating PLU. -
Wrong again.ApostleofGrief said:
I'm calling you on bullshit.... there never has been a guy like that as a football player, a fan, or even a guy selling a fucking program. NO FUCKING WAY.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You must not go to Seattle or Portland often.ApostleofGrief said:
well, I have never seen a guy like that standing on the sidelines watching some D2 game. Actually I've never seen a guy like that at a football game. Come to think of it, I've never seen a guy like that.Swaye said:ApostleofGrief said:You guys keep making fun of me for liking small college football. Fuck you. This column is partly why. You don't have to give up big time football to watch small college. It's comparable to a good band in a small club vs. arena rock.
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Obligatory fix for @allpurpleallgold.RoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. I understand what you are saying about 20-22 year olds versus 16-18 years old, but this isn't a fucktarded argument like Alabama vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars. PLU would welcome any starter off Bellevue to play for them except for a few. Off this last Bellevue team, there were 4 Pac 12 players. After that, they have multiple guys that go off to play in the Big Sky, go Ivy, or play for a school like Central. All of those levels are above D-3. Then the junior class has Roberts and a couple other Pac 12 guys, a couple more Big Sky guys, and a couple more Central or Juco guys. I bet over half the starters sign with schools higher than D-3.CheersWestDawg said:If anyone honestly thinks Bellevue could beat PLU, you are so beyond fucking stupid that you need professional help.
Yes, players like Jack and Baker would be fine but what about the other 20 guys that start for Bellevue? 18 of them probably couldn't play for PLU. You're talking about 15-18 year olds beating 20-22 year olds. Fucking forget it. Then there are the schematics. PLU runs more plays out of more formations than all of the Bellevue kids have ever seen combined. I'm comfortable saying PLU would score at least 50 points on Bellevue. Bellevue's DBs would look worse than Chris Massey during the 2001 Holiday Bowl.
PLU isn't as good as they were back in their heyday, but the last two seasons they've been in the D3 playoffs and ranked in the top 25. They're no joke.
It makes sense that some of those guys aren't as good as the PLU players because of the age and maturity difference, but I don't think it's as big as you say. Than you factor in guys like Hasty who would be easily the best player on the field. Give them the ball 30-40 times and they are breaking off some long TD's. I bet a D-3 school would shit to have Butch be their coach too.
D-3 football isn't that great. I've been to a couple of games. My cousin was an above average high school player. He was no better than the 4th or 5th best player on a .500 team in the dreckfest Narrows League. I don't think he ever even made 2nd team all Narrows. He went off to Linfield and was a 3 year starter on a team that was ranked and went to the playoffs every year. There are some years Bellevue is beating PLU. -
If only we had a young cocaine expert on this bored. Someone with real-life experience yet hasn't left college yet. We could even call him CollegeDoog.RoadDawg55 said:
Mirror is cliche. Any table or smooth, hard surface works fine. They are all the same.allpurpleallgold said:
Mirror > Coffee TableCheersWestDawg said:I'll admit that I throw away money to attend games at Pool Boy Stadium. The tailgating, the game and all that other walk-with-dad-on-crisp-fall-afternoons bullshit is ok and everything....but I'd be lying if I didn't say I enjoy the hell out of it when the Huskies have a road game and I can watch 14 hours of college football on the plasma screen HDTV and my leather chair.
The beer is easy to get to. I can cut up lines of cocaine on my coffee table. I can even get a hot Asian hooker to blow me while I watch a game for a nominal price. -
Dude. All you have to do is ask Butch himself. And he'd give you an honest answer too. He'd even say there's no way he'd ever beat PLU. The age and maturity thing are bigger than you think.RoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. I understand what you are saying about 20-22 year olds versus 16-18 years old, but this isn't a fucktarded argument like Alabama vs. the Jacksonville Jaguars. PLU would welcome any starter off Bellevue to play for them except for a few. Off this last Bellevue team, there were 4 Pac 12 players. After that, they have multiple guys that go off to play in the Big Sky, go Ivy, or play for a school like Central. All of those levels are above D-3. Then the junior class has Roberts and a couple other Pac 12 guys, a couple more Big Sky guys, and a couple more Central or Juco guys. I bet over half the starters sign with schools higher than D-3.CheersWestDawg said:If anyone honestly thinks Bellevue could beat PLU, you are so beyond fucking stupid that you need professional help.
Yes, players like Jack and Baker would be fine but what about the other 20 guys that start for Bellevue? 18 of them probably couldn't play for PLU. You're talking about 15-18 year olds beating 20-22 year olds. Fucking forget it. Then there are the schematics. PLU runs more plays out of more formations than all of the Bellevue kids have ever seen combined. I'm comfortable saying PLU would score at least 50 points on Bellevue. Bellevue's DBs would look worse than Chris Massey during the 2001 Holiday Bowl.
PLU isn't as good as they were back in their heyday, but the last two seasons they've been in the D3 playoffs and ranked in the top 25. They're no joke.
It makes sense that some of those guys aren't as good as the PLU players because of the age and maturity difference, but I don't think it's as big as you say. Than you factor in guys like Jack or Baker who would be easily the best player on the field. Give them the ball 30-40 times and they are breaking off some long TD's. I bet a D-3 school would shit to have Butch be their coach too.
D-3 football isn't that great. I've been to a couple of games. My cousin was an above average high school player. He was no better than the 4th or 5th best player on a .500 team in the dreckfest Narrows League. I don't think he ever even made 2nd team all Narrows. He went off to Linfield and was a 3 year starter on a team that was ranked and went to the playoffs every year. There are some years Bellevue is beating PLU.
Go down on the sidelines of a Bellevue game. Then the next week go down on the sidelines of a PLU game at Sparks Stadium in Puyallup. The speed of the game isn't even close. D3 football is WAY faster than any high school game Bellevue would ever play in.
