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Unless you’re truly rich, no one with some sanity should be blowing money on depreciation. Buy something that will run strong for at least 15 years and take care of it. Amazing how many pours you see driving spendy trucks.creepycoug said:
agreed. i drove a new 2004 Toyota Sequoia (or, more accurately, my wife did) and took to to 3 fiddy. basically raised the kids in that thing. she was fucking work horse. and honestly, we took shit care of it. id' go 30k without thinking of changing the oil. about the only preventive maintenance I ever did on tim was the timing belt/chain, which the Japanese auto makers scare you into doing on tim. Only did it that one tim btw. At some point while moving my kid out of an apartment with a big U haul trailer in tow, white liquid was blowing out of the hood on the freeway driving back. Got back, the radiator had finally had it, drove to the Kirkland Toyota dealer hoping the freeway air would keep it cool enough, it didn't, bitch was running with the needle firmly in the red on the temp gauge, replaced it, got another 60 to 80 out of her, and then when I started smelling weird shit that made my eyes water, I figured it was tim. Sold it to some dude for 800 and I still see it driving around town.pawz said:
100% this. The most important poont in this thread.RaceBannon said:I bought a new Sentra in 16 for 17 grand. Oil changes and new tires in 5 years
Runs great. 40 mpg. No payment
Car payments suck the life out of you
One of my two dads put 300k miles on an '86 Acura Legend whilst building a $1m house - when $1m meant something ...
Why borrow money - pay interest - on a depreciating asset?
Intend to do the same with the two I have now. And I will never, ever own another BMW again. I had a coupe, beautiful and fun to drive, that I got 150 out of and it was pain, suffering and $$ the entire fucking time. Never again. I just don't care enough. -
The Vette makes em wet. Up your smashing game.Pitchfork51 said:This thread is useless. I have to buy a car next month. What do I get. I don't drive anyone else in the car ever. No girls ever see my car until we've already smashed so I don't care about it from that perspective.
I just want to buy and forget about it and not look ghetto.
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C8 Corvette.Pitchfork51 said:This thread is useless. I have to buy a car next month. What do I get. I don't drive anyone else in the car ever. No girls ever see my car until we've already smashed so I don't care about it from that perspective.
I just want to buy and forget about it and not look ghetto.
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pat pat little Benny.BennyBeaver said:
Lesbo confirmed.haie said:I suggest you do what I did and buy your wife a 70k+ car and then allocate about 26k for yourself to buy a suburu impreza,
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NTTAWWThaie said:
pat pat little Benny.BennyBeaver said:
Lesbo confirmed.haie said:I suggest you do what I did and buy your wife a 70k+ car and then allocate about 26k for yourself to buy a suburu impreza,
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Just perused Mazda's website and came away a little disappointed. Seems their fuel economy has dropped nearly 10 mpg across the board. My brother's 3 gets 40 mpg. Nothing they make gets over 31 combined now. I still think they have one of if not the best design aesthetics for any car you can buy under $60K (maybe higher), and they're dead-nuts reliable, but I commute 70 miles round trip, so I look for cars that are easy on the fuel.creepycoug said:
Mazda's are criminally underrated. For some reason, they are the least expensive of the Japanese line-up. Toyota and Honda (their luxury analogues) carry a higher sticker and get away with it. I haven't owned one but every person I know who has loves their Mazdas and swears by then. Subaru is like that too.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber has a CX9 - best fucking snow car EVER. AWD, throw some studs on that bad boy...like a snow leopard chasing down its prey.1to392831weretaken said:
Mazda is so massively underrated.PurpleThrobber said:We are an Asian car only family - Toyota, Mazda and Nissan.
Never have any issues with them. Ever.
@RoadDawg55's peeps make sweet rides.
I'm excited to see more ~$40K long range electrics hitting the market. Many Luddites still shit on electric, but to them I say, "Don't knock it 'till you've tried it." Quiet, torque for days, way fewer expensive parts to break or expensive maintenance to do, brakes last forever, and never having to stop at the gas station. Here in my corner of Washington, at 10 cents per kWh, it's like driving for free. In somewhere like Wenatchee, where it's under 3 cents? What idiot with a commute doesn't have one?
I used to be a "car guy." I went full fast strategy and bought a 3-Series new first thing after getting hired at my current job. It was my first new vehicle. Why did I get it? Rear wheel drive (steering input at both ends of the car), inline six (natural first and second order balance), manual transmission, back seat, under $40K. Thanks to broadening my horizons to include other expensive hobbies like home-ownership, I've stopped giving a fuck about any of that shit, and all I care about is lowest TCO. Even the cheapest, shittiest cars on the market today have creature comforts that parallel the most expensive car I've owned. For me, car purchases are a spreadsheet exercise: Purchase price minus depreciated value plus expected maintenance plus consumables over predicted length of ownership. Lowest wins. A $40K electric stacks up surprisingly well against all but the cheapest and most efficient gas car--IF it's from a manufacture that still qualifies for the tax rebate (to bring things back to my original post).
Whoever posted the picture of the Mustang Mach-E above is onto something. If you have to have a car that "looks like" an SUV (because, let's face it, only @Swaye actually uses his SUV for S and/or U...), you could do a lot worse. $36K after rebate for a luxury-adjacent car that will drive your eyes into the back of your skull on acceleration, pretty much run for free as long as you own it, and allow you to never have to stop at a gas station again. And, thanks to the tax rebate, you're calculating resale depreciation from a price $7500 above what you paid (IOW, six or seven years down the road, I'd rather be selling what started as a $40K long range electric than what started as a $25K Corolla).
/woman in Japanese board meeting -
I don’t rock crawl per se but have used the shit out of my SUV over the years. Plenty of clearance situations in snow or off road. But yes you’re pretty much on the money.1to392831weretaken said:
Just perused Mazda's website and came away a little disappointed. Seems their fuel economy has dropped nearly 10 mpg across the board. My brother's 3 gets 40 mpg. Nothing they make gets over 31 combined now. I still think they have one of if not the best design aesthetics for any car you can buy under $60K (maybe higher), and they're dead-nuts reliable, but I commute 70 miles round trip, so I look for cars that are easy on the fuel.creepycoug said:
Mazda's are criminally underrated. For some reason, they are the least expensive of the Japanese line-up. Toyota and Honda (their luxury analogues) carry a higher sticker and get away with it. I haven't owned one but every person I know who has loves their Mazdas and swears by then. Subaru is like that too.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber has a CX9 - best fucking snow car EVER. AWD, throw some studs on that bad boy...like a snow leopard chasing down its prey.1to392831weretaken said:
Mazda is so massively underrated.PurpleThrobber said:We are an Asian car only family - Toyota, Mazda and Nissan.
Never have any issues with them. Ever.
@RoadDawg55's peeps make sweet rides.
I'm excited to see more ~$40K long range electrics hitting the market. Many Luddites still shit on electric, but to them I say, "Don't knock it 'till you've tried it." Quiet, torque for days, way fewer expensive parts to break or expensive maintenance to do, brakes last forever, and never having to stop at the gas station. Here in my corner of Washington, at 10 cents per kWh, it's like driving for free. In somewhere like Wenatchee, where it's under 3 cents? What idiot with a commute doesn't have one?
I used to be a "car guy." I went full fast strategy and bought a 3-Series new first thing after getting hired at my current job. It was my first new vehicle. Why did I get it? Rear wheel drive (steering input at both ends of the car), inline six (natural first and second order balance), manual transmission, back seat, under $40K. Thanks to broadening my horizons to include other expensive hobbies like home-ownership, I've stopped giving a fuck about any of that shit, and all I care about is lowest TCO. Even the cheapest, shittiest cars on the market today have creature comforts that parallel the most expensive car I've owned. For me, car purchases are a spreadsheet exercise: Purchase price minus depreciated value plus expected maintenance plus consumables over predicted length of ownership. Lowest wins. A $40K electric stacks up surprisingly well against all but the cheapest and most efficient gas car--IF it's from a manufacture that still qualifies for the tax rebate (to bring things back to my original post).
Whoever posted the picture of the Mustang Mach-E above is onto something. If you have to have a car that "looks like" an SUV (because, let's face it, only @Swaye actually uses his SUV for S and/or U...), you could do a lot worse. $36K after rebate for a luxury-adjacent car that will drive your eyes into the back of your skull on acceleration, pretty much run for free as long as you own it, and allow you to never have to stop at a gas station again. And, thanks to the tax rebate, you're calculating resale depreciation from a price $7500 above what you paid (IOW, six or seven years down the road, I'd rather be selling what started as a $40K long range electric than what started as a $25K Corolla).
/woman in Japanese board meeting -
As a guy who takes his vehicle off road and up mountains and into backwoods areas to hunt I am intrigued by the new Defender. I know the knock on Range Rovers is they are about as reliable at a Peterman offense, but old Defenders are nails. Not sure how I feel about IFS, as I am a big believer in solid live axles for real off road shit, but I hear they get good travel, and the torque numbers are impressive as shit. I also doubt seriously it is a body on frame construction, which hurts it in my eyes, but my guess, sadly, is that this might be the last generation of Jeeps that are "traditional" off road rigs.
I know we are talking about less than 1% of the car buying public that still actually wants a rig that can legit go anywhere and do anything (not some gravel road that some Seattle fag thinks is "off roading" in his Subaru), but it still sucks that real super capable off road machines are dying out. I guess Razor's probably have something to do with that as well. You can buy a purpose built little nimble trail runner now.
Whatever, give me live axles, body on frame, beadlocks and 4:1 transfer cases or give me death!
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I think most people would be surprised what modern studless winter tires can do. (@PurpleThrobber: Ditch the studs. They tear up roads, flatten and become pointless quickly, and don't really give you that much more traction these days. People run studless in the Michigan UP just fine.) I've been up to the Baker ski resort sledding hill in January in a sport package RWD 3-series (4" ground clearance) with no chains. Ditto two different minivans. I rarely encounter roads I need to drive on that aren't plowed, but I guess there are times where simply ground clearance over the snow is the difference between moving or not. Those are times it's probably best to stay home anyway.YellowSnow said:
I don’t rock crawl per se but have used the shit out of my SUV over the years. Plenty of clearance situations in snow or off road. But yes you’re pretty much on the money.1to392831weretaken said:
Just perused Mazda's website and came away a little disappointed. Seems their fuel economy has dropped nearly 10 mpg across the board. My brother's 3 gets 40 mpg. Nothing they make gets over 31 combined now. I still think they have one of if not the best design aesthetics for any car you can buy under $60K (maybe higher), and they're dead-nuts reliable, but I commute 70 miles round trip, so I look for cars that are easy on the fuel.creepycoug said:
Mazda's are criminally underrated. For some reason, they are the least expensive of the Japanese line-up. Toyota and Honda (their luxury analogues) carry a higher sticker and get away with it. I haven't owned one but every person I know who has loves their Mazdas and swears by then. Subaru is like that too.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber has a CX9 - best fucking snow car EVER. AWD, throw some studs on that bad boy...like a snow leopard chasing down its prey.1to392831weretaken said:
Mazda is so massively underrated.PurpleThrobber said:We are an Asian car only family - Toyota, Mazda and Nissan.
Never have any issues with them. Ever.
@RoadDawg55's peeps make sweet rides.
I'm excited to see more ~$40K long range electrics hitting the market. Many Luddites still shit on electric, but to them I say, "Don't knock it 'till you've tried it." Quiet, torque for days, way fewer expensive parts to break or expensive maintenance to do, brakes last forever, and never having to stop at the gas station. Here in my corner of Washington, at 10 cents per kWh, it's like driving for free. In somewhere like Wenatchee, where it's under 3 cents? What idiot with a commute doesn't have one?
I used to be a "car guy." I went full fast strategy and bought a 3-Series new first thing after getting hired at my current job. It was my first new vehicle. Why did I get it? Rear wheel drive (steering input at both ends of the car), inline six (natural first and second order balance), manual transmission, back seat, under $40K. Thanks to broadening my horizons to include other expensive hobbies like home-ownership, I've stopped giving a fuck about any of that shit, and all I care about is lowest TCO. Even the cheapest, shittiest cars on the market today have creature comforts that parallel the most expensive car I've owned. For me, car purchases are a spreadsheet exercise: Purchase price minus depreciated value plus expected maintenance plus consumables over predicted length of ownership. Lowest wins. A $40K electric stacks up surprisingly well against all but the cheapest and most efficient gas car--IF it's from a manufacture that still qualifies for the tax rebate (to bring things back to my original post).
Whoever posted the picture of the Mustang Mach-E above is onto something. If you have to have a car that "looks like" an SUV (because, let's face it, only @Swaye actually uses his SUV for S and/or U...), you could do a lot worse. $36K after rebate for a luxury-adjacent car that will drive your eyes into the back of your skull on acceleration, pretty much run for free as long as you own it, and allow you to never have to stop at a gas station again. And, thanks to the tax rebate, you're calculating resale depreciation from a price $7500 above what you paid (IOW, six or seven years down the road, I'd rather be selling what started as a $40K long range electric than what started as a $25K Corolla).
/woman in Japanese board meeting
There's this misconception that you're fucked in the snow without AWD. The reality is that, although AWD is useful for getting started and getting up hills, it does fuck all for helping you stop. That's where proper tires come in. Now, proper tires and AWD? Even better. ATBSJBS, I've driven about a half million miles, and a lack of AWD has prevented me from getting where I wanted to go... once I can recall.
That's just my situation, though. I'm sure if I had a long, steep driveway, I'd feel differently about it.
