Cardwell to Da Ducks
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Yeah, he hasn't been in street cloths that often, I'll grant you that. But he's had to sit out entire halves multiple times, or not start, come in for a few carries and clearly not himself, and get pulled. That's happened several times.NorthwestFresh said:
He’s played in 32 out of 34 games since his first year. He gets banged up at times but he’s a gamer.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there.
Like I said, really good back. You don't post back to back 1,000 yard seasons when you're average. It also puts those stats into perspective. What would his numbers be if he didn't miss to so many carries. -
Kevin Wilhite
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Herman Ho-ChingRaceBannon said:Kevin Wilhite
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6.1 YPCcreepycoug said:
Yeah, he hasn't been in street cloths that often, I'll grant you that. But he's had to sit out entire halves multiple times, or not start, come in for a few carries and clearly not himself, and get pulled. That's happened several times.NorthwestFresh said:
He’s played in 32 out of 34 games since his first year. He gets banged up at times but he’s a gamer.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there.
Like I said, really good back. You don't post back to back 1,000 yard seasons when you're average. It also puts those stats into perspective. What would his numbers be if he didn't miss to so many carries.
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Who? Verdell's career ypc is 5.4 but considering most of those carries came behind arguably the best OL in the nation they get a pretty big asterisk.DJDuck said:
6.1 YPCcreepycoug said:
Yeah, he hasn't been in street cloths that often, I'll grant you that. But he's had to sit out entire halves multiple times, or not start, come in for a few carries and clearly not himself, and get pulled. That's happened several times.NorthwestFresh said:
He’s played in 32 out of 34 games since his first year. He gets banged up at times but he’s a gamer.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there.
Like I said, really good back. You don't post back to back 1,000 yard seasons when you're average. It also puts those stats into perspective. What would his numbers be if he didn't miss to so many carries.
Verdell's 4.4 this year is probably closer to his true talent level.
Good college back. Definitely not great. -
I think that's mostly fair. I'd probably do slightly more than good college back. I'd give him an A-.dnc said:
Who? Verdell's career ypc is 5.4 but considering most of those carries came behind arguably the best OL in the nation they get a pretty big asterisk.DJDuck said:
6.1 YPCcreepycoug said:
Yeah, he hasn't been in street cloths that often, I'll grant you that. But he's had to sit out entire halves multiple times, or not start, come in for a few carries and clearly not himself, and get pulled. That's happened several times.NorthwestFresh said:
He’s played in 32 out of 34 games since his first year. He gets banged up at times but he’s a gamer.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there.
Like I said, really good back. You don't post back to back 1,000 yard seasons when you're average. It also puts those stats into perspective. What would his numbers be if he didn't miss to so many carries.
Verdell's 4.4 this year is probably closer to his true talent level.
Good college back. Definitely not great. -
He's got retard strength, so what? Dude leaves 50 yards a game on the field by being blind as a bat. He's the least natural RB I've ever seen. He's meathead Mario in RB form. Full speed ahead into the torpedo only works for Sean Connery.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there. -
Solid B from mecreepycoug said:
I think that's mostly fair. I'd probably do slightly more than good college back. I'd give him an A-.dnc said:
Who? Verdell's career ypc is 5.4 but considering most of those carries came behind arguably the best OL in the nation they get a pretty big asterisk.DJDuck said:
6.1 YPCcreepycoug said:
Yeah, he hasn't been in street cloths that often, I'll grant you that. But he's had to sit out entire halves multiple times, or not start, come in for a few carries and clearly not himself, and get pulled. That's happened several times.NorthwestFresh said:
He’s played in 32 out of 34 games since his first year. He gets banged up at times but he’s a gamer.creepycoug said:There are two things that seem pretty clear to me that are nonetheless debated here: Verdell is a damn good back and Verdell is injury prone and misses time every year. Which puts his stats into an interesting perspective.
As I've said before, even though he has the compact build a back needs to handle a lot of carries, the guy runs very hard and takes on collisions that sometimes you think he's be better off avoiding. Specifically he's had shoulder issues and I think in 2020 he got a pretty good concussion or two. Not sure. But there's no doubt that he's missed time every year he's been there.
Like I said, really good back. You don't post back to back 1,000 yard seasons when you're average. It also puts those stats into perspective. What would his numbers be if he didn't miss to so many carries.
Verdell's 4.4 this year is probably closer to his true talent level.
Good college back. Definitely not great. -
I prefer 1988 Barry Sanders but I’ll settle for a back that can break 50 yards more often than 60% of games where he’s the primary ball carrier.greenblood said:
I prefer backs that don’t fumbleRatherBeBrewing said:1. Terrence Whitehead is the worst.
2. CJ is not awful, but what a sad state of affairs for the conference when this is the most well known RB it has to offer.
3. Byron Marshall drew three years of active roster NFL paychecks and another year of practice squad pay. More than expected for a 5’9” back with 4.58 speed.
4. Travis Dye is the best running back on this team. He’s better than Verdell. Six fumbles in 367 touches is shitty. Wear some gloves. He should still be the starter, though.
Dye should have been used more this past season. Arroyo had under utilized him, I think Moorhead understands now that consistently CJ can only be counted to run into the backs of the offensive linemen and get injured.
Some Travis Dye stats:
* 50th ranked RB in the 2018 class, of the 49 ahead of him only Jermar Jefferson has rushed for more yards. It was a shitty year for RBs, but shiniest turd.
* Career 5.9 YPC is 7th out of Oregon’s top 25 career RB rushers. Top yards per catch out of players who exclusively played RB.
* Dye is 14/16 in his career on converting 3rd and 3 or less on runs. That is amazing. He’s also 3/4 on 4th down. Yet they kept running the TD vulture and CJ because everyone is dumb. Maybe the shiftiest back is better than the slow ass and the blind one? Just an idea.
* In 2020 Dye carried it 28 times on first down for an average of 9 YPC and a long of only 26.
* In 310 carries Dye has only lost 31 yards. Some of that is the pistol. Oregon’s offense, duh like everyone, does way better when you don’t have second and long and Dye is very efficient at it.
Stats can be skewed, yadda yadda. You can’t ignore that he’s been a great recruit for what I assumed was a favor for his brother. If Dye had been gettin Verdell’s carries behind in 2018 and 19 I wonder how it would have played out.
Someone needs to tell CJ it’s okay to not just run straight ahead.
You can also not run into the LGs or RGs ass, it’s a thing running backs are allowed to do.
I like Verdell. He can run into stuff and sometimes that’s 20 yards, or even 80 if the offensive line kills it before he can run into them. He’s failed to get 50+ yards in 14 games. Dye has more games of 50+ yards, on considerably fewer carries. Dye is not as fast or strong, he has vision and moves beyond lowering his head. There were also those 9 catches for 240 yards and 4 TDs this season, no asterisk steel vagina trophy without those.
You keep saying the offense got shitty because they lost Verdell, yet that’s not what the numbers say. I’ll admit to partially true, but mostly because when Verdell doesn’t play it meant having to see more Habibi-Likio.
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I found out in another thread that @DJDuck is a 74 year old man. Imagine being 74 and TBS'ing to this level.
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Are you an ageist. Is there something wrong with being 74 yrs. old? Why is this important to you?BleachedAnusDawg said:I found out in another thread
that @DJDuck is a 74 year old man. Imagine being 74 and TBS'ing to this level.
Bigots like you are pretty disgusting
I have been going to OregonWashington games for over 65 years. I have experienced a lot in football and life and am proud of that and my accomplishments. It’s sad that you are filled with prejudice and ignorance for certain groups of people.
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You sound like you need to take a long walk for some perspective.DJDuck said:
Are you an ageist. Is there something wrong with being 74 yrs. old? Why is this important to you?BleachedAnusDawg said:I found out in another thread
that @DJDuck is a 74 year old man. Imagine being 74 and TBS'ing to this level.
Bigots like you are pretty disgusting
I have been going to OregonWashington games for over 65 years. I have experienced a lot in football and life and am proud of that and my accomplishments. It’s sad that you are filled with prejudice and ignorance for certain groups of people. -
My perspective is fine........you are a bigot. Nice gambit to attack me once again to obfuscate your discrimination/bigotry.
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Hey bigot, why don’t you enlighten us what is wrong with being 74 and why my age is so important to you.
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If I am 74 and as much of a TBS dork as you someone please kill me. Living life via 18 year olds...look, I am being ageist at both ends!DJDuck said:Hey bigot, why don’t you enlighten us what is wrong with being 74 and why my age is so important to you.
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Poor excuse for being a bigot. It’s a shame that a younger person is too cowardly and bigoted to answer a straight question.
You are horrible at assuming what others, that you don’t even know, think.
Why would even an ignorant bigoted moron such as you deign to think I live my life through 18 year olds. Does that apply to everyone on football forums asshole. Do 60 year olds, 50 years olds 40 year olds commenting on football forums live life via 18 year olds?
Is everyone that attends a game in Autzen or Husky Stadium living their lives through 18 year olds or is it just the middle aged and elderly. And what the fuck business is it of yours anyway you phony bigoted jackass. -
A poster named @BleachedAnusDawg giving anyone shit for not acting their age is why I’m here.
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There is a point where being a sports fan jumps the shark, IMO. Following recruiting to the degree where you, as an Oregon Duck fan, spam shit daily on a Husky forum goes pretty far down the road of having no life.DJDuck said:Poor excuse for being a bigot. It’s a shame that a younger person is too cowardly and bigoted to answer a straight question.
You are horrible at assuming what others, that you don’t even know, think.
Why would even an ignorant bigoted moron such as you deign to think I live my life through 18 year olds. Does that apply to everyone on football forums asshole. Do 60 year olds, 50 years olds 40 year olds commenting on football forums live life via 18 year olds?
Is everyone that attends a game in Autzen or Husky Stadium living their lives through 18 year olds or is it just the middle aged and elderly. And what the fuck business is it of yours anyway you phony bigoted jackass. -
I think this is a forum for Ducks bigot. So now you’re not only a bigot and know what others think now you characterize information about Ducks mostly on recruiting, on a forum created for Ducks DURING RECRUITING SEASON as Spam. So now sports fans jump the shark because they follow recruiting closely. You are one confused nutjob there bigot.
Or maybe you really mean there is something wrong being keenly interested in recruiting When you reach a certain age bigot. Ha ha ha ha ha -
I wonder what degree of following recruiting is normal bigot? Could you quantify that? You must know because I obviously have crossed that line. Why do you want to criticize people for their interest in anything busybody bigot
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I don't think you understand what the word bigot means, but I am glad to see you continue to get this worked up. Don't have a heart attack, old man.
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It is you Mr. Bigot that doesn’t understand the term Mr. Bigot.BleachedAnusDawg said:I don't think you understand what the word bigot means, but I am glad to see you continue to get this worked up. Don't have a heart attack, old man.
BIGOT
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
You are also anignorant moron and a coward for blathering you’re illogical nonsense and not answering my questions.
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Why can’t you answer these questions about your illogical rant? Because you can’t bigot.
“I wonder what degree of following recruiting is normal bigot? Could you quantify that? You must know because I obviously have crossed that line. Why do you want to criticize people for their interest in anything busybody bigot“
You won’t have to worry about me being around a lot now bigot. Our new Woodshed/Duckpond has been reconstituted after being deleted. It is a breath of fresh air. We have none of you and your ignorant bigoted ilk on our site just good Duck stuff and good political discussion. So fuck off bigot. -
SadDJDuck said:Why can’t you answer these questions about your illogical rant? Because you can’t bigot.
“I wonder what degree of following recruiting is normal bigot? Could you quantify that? You must know because I obviously have crossed that line. Why do you want to criticize people for their interest in anything busybody bigot“
You won’t have to worry about me being around a lot now bigot. Our new Woodshed/Duckpond has been reconstituted after being deleted. It is a breath of fresh air. We have none of you and your ignorant bigoted ilk on our site just good Duck stuff and good political discussion. So fuck off bigot. -
Why does anyone care how someone else is spending their life as long as that someone else isn't hurting anyone or breaking any laws? Scolding someone who isn't a friend or relative on how they are living their life seems to me an odd way to live your life. But c'est la vie.BleachedAnusDawg said:
There is a point where being a sports fan jumps the shark, IMO. Following recruiting to the degree where you, as an Oregon Duck fan, spam shit daily on a Husky forum goes pretty far down the road of having no life.DJDuck said:Poor excuse for being a bigot. It’s a shame that a younger person is too cowardly and bigoted to answer a straight question.
You are horrible at assuming what others, that you don’t even know, think.
Why would even an ignorant bigoted moron such as you deign to think I live my life through 18 year olds. Does that apply to everyone on football forums asshole. Do 60 year olds, 50 years olds 40 year olds commenting on football forums live life via 18 year olds?
Is everyone that attends a game in Autzen or Husky Stadium living their lives through 18 year olds or is it just the middle aged and elderly. And what the fuck business is it of yours anyway you phony bigoted jackass. -
Needs the Gary Campbell drillslawsandl said:
Right now none of them are great. Verdell has ball carrier vision akin to bird box and zero patience.ntxduck said:
Lol. It’s ok to admit our running back stable isn’t that good. Because it’s not.NorthwestFresh said:
That’s simply not good enough for a former All-American such as @ntxduck. The man has standards.DJDuck said:
He has rushed for over 1,000 yards in each of his 2 full seasons-averaging around 5.5 yards per carryIPukeOregonGrellow said:
.5. One, on the odd times where Verdell is healthy.ntxduck said:
How many great running backs would you say we have right now?DJDuck said:Another Great Running Back. We are blessed.😁👍🏉
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/byron-cardwell-236737
Cj is good. Can’t ever stay healthy. Don’t think you can consider him great when he plays half the games.
Dye is a third down back at best and fumbles too much.
Dollars looks good but we haven’t seen him enough. Was hoping we’d see him more vs isu after having some nice runs against sc, but no.
Habibi gone.
Benson redshirted after surgery.
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The pulmonary embolism just needs more time.BleachedAnusDawg said:
If I am 74 and as much of a TBS dork as you someone please kill me. Living life via 18 year olds...look, I am being ageist at both ends!DJDuck said:Hey bigot, why don’t you enlighten us what is wrong with being 74 and why my age is so important to you.
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If I have a stroke before DJ imma be pissed.
shit, late to the embolism party.
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Haha bully the retired guy.dtd said:If I have a stroke before DJ imma be pissed.
shit, late to the embolism party.
Retards
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