Joe Rogan / political climate
Have Hawley, Cruz, AOC, Booker for a three or four hour debate and put it on every network. Maybe replace Cruz with Tulsi.
The 140 character clap back is a total joke and only agitates.
Don't twist, I don't think much would get done, but so much of the American population is so out of touch they need the figureheads to duke it out. Hawley though would demolish AOC in a debate.
MSM is strictly for hatred and division. And people are glued to the garbage.
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#StopTheHeal
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You’ll know in advance who wins by who accepts.
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I chortled.UWerentThereMan said:#StopTheHeal
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Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
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Sounds divisiveTheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
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WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels.
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#feeltheHealTheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
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AOC and Booker have zero to gain by stepping outside of their protected media bubble.
Remember when Booker called for attacks on the GOP, “go to the Hiil,” and it led to the harassment of GOP politicians in public? Neither does anyone else because the Rat Media ignored it.
Two Americas
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In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels. -
Its not clear at all. Most politicians need to be guillotined in the streets for selling the country out to chinaTheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels. -
It wasn’t an attack, you fucking pussy. There are Democrat politicians in office who have literally called for violence verbatim, and not a fucking thing was done to them. Stop being such a fucking hypocrite.TheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels. -
Such as?TheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels. -
Let’s do this the old fashioned way, as a bipartisanship effort.Pitchfork51 said:
Its not clear at all. Most politicians need to be guillotined in the streets for selling the country out to chinaTheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels.
Take AOC off the table, add every billionaire and you got yourself a deal. -
TheKobeStopper said:
Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
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Such bullshit.TheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels. -
@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance? -
The District of Columbia is not part of the USA. It's like the Vatican and the City of London. One third of the Unholy Trinity.TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Like the other two members of the Trinity, Washington DC is an occupation power run by the NWO, and has no legitimate right to rule anything but the District of Columbia. -
Hawley is smart, and she is crazy. But, she is not stupid. I've said that from the beginning. She's misguided in her beliefs, but she knows well how to advance them. And she seems pretty good on her feet.jecornel said:If this country wanted to work toward the "heal," at least at the government level??
Have Hawley, Cruz, AOC, Booker for a three or four hour debate and put it on every network. Maybe replace Cruz with Tulsi.
The 140 character clap back is a total joke and only agitates.
Don't twist, I don't think much would get done, but so much of the American population is so out of touch they need the figureheads to duke it out. Hawley though would demolish AOC in a debate.
MSM is strictly for hatred and division. And people are glued to the garbage.
I think anybody debating her would do well to get a good night's sleep and be prepared. She's a good paper hanger. -
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer. I agree generally with those who say that breaking into a Target and burning down a business is bad; but charging the Capital with bad intentions (including "hang Pence" rhetoric btw) is worse.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
That said, of fucking course: prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any protestor of any political persuasion, and of any race, gender, religion or other variable, from summer, winter or fall, who destroyed property, stole, assaulted anyone, resisted arrest, and did anything else illegal north of J walking.
That's like illegal immigration rhetoric. Unless you're a complete nut, and there are plenty to go around, of course you say prosecute the doers of illegal things. Who could not be for that? I've never seen anything in the media to suggest otherwise, but I'm sure there's something. That's different and to be distinguished from the media pushing the narrative that Floyd touched off a bunch of shit and that people are rightfully fed up. But then again, I'm also not one laying the blame for this at Trump's feet. -
That’s 98% of the Democrats’ and GOPe’s campaign contributions gone.TheKobeStopper said:
Let’s do this the old fashioned way, as a bipartisanship effort.Pitchfork51 said:
Its not clear at all. Most politicians need to be guillotined in the streets for selling the country out to chinaTheKobeStopper said:
In terms of arrests, I would agree on inciting. But I also think it’s crystal clear that several politicians need to be removed from their office for the roll they played in the attack.PurpleThrobber said:
WTF does 'incited' mean?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Either they stormed the gate, damaged shit and broke the law or they didn't. This subjective 'incited violence' is bullshit.
Otherwise, feels.
Take AOC off the table, add every billionaire and you got yourself a deal.
Sounds good to me.
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The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives. -
TheKobeStopper said:
Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
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I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear. -
You should take an intro to con law course sometimpawz said:
I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear. -
You should just tell us all the important part.BearsWiin said:
You should take an intro to con law course sometimpawz said:
I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
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Do we do the same for an entire summer of rioting and violence?TheKobeStopper said:Every single person that attacked the capitol and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings.
Because that was tacitly encouraged by the very people now calling for impeachment, as well as those DA offices that declined to press charges on anything south of felony assault.
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January 6th was a psyop you dumbfuck.TheKobeStopper said:
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
The United States is not a democracy. Some will claim the United States is a Republic, but it's not that either. It's a technocratic, fascist corporation largely controlled by foreign actors. -
People cause violence. I have never seen a gun cause violence. Mines been next to the bed all night and it didn't do a fucking thing let alone be violent.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Why are you lefty stooges always equipped with the IQ of a Q-tip? -
I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.pawz said:
I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
- I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos
- I believe article 230 must remain
- I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.
- I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?
- I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.
- We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go. -
Nazi!TheKobeStopper said:
I’m going to try and breakdown my perspective.pawz said:
I can respect this. However this sure isn't how you come across 95% of the tim.TheKobeStopper said:
The right to protest, like the right to bear arms, is a fundamental part of our freedom. With both of these rights comes violence. You can’t have guns without gun violence and you can’t have protests without riots and looting.DoogieMcDoogerson said:@TheKobeStopper
"Every single person that attacked the capitol and federal and civil buildings in locations around the country, and incited them needs to either go to jail or be kicked the fuck out of our government. Until then, fuck your healings."
Strong words. I believe I understand your perspective. I agree to some extent. People who caused damage or broke laws should be arrested and prosecuted. Being there, however, in and of itself is not a crime. Being a conservative does not mean you're an insurrectionist or even cheered these people on. On top of that, "Incited" is a gray area for me...
Just so I can understand if your perspective on this is consistent, could you answer this?
What about the people responsible for 19+ deaths and over a billion dollars in property damage during the months of protests for George Floyd? What about the media who provided their support? What about the politicians who supported it? What's your stance on them? I'm talking rioters causing damage, people burning shit down, looters, etc. Antifa, BLM, whatever. People breaking the law.
What's your stance?
You can paint a pretty picture of gun safety and responsible owners and peaceful sit ins but that’s not reality. Our sports teams can’t win championships without 57 people getting arrested.
Sometimes this violence becomes too much for some Americans to stomach. School shootings are a good example. It reached a point where many Americans struggled to accept that cost.
If the BLM protests reached that point for you, you are free to have that opinion. If it crossed a line for you and you felt something should have been done to stop it, the same way people feel like something needs to be done about school shootings, I get that. But it didn’t reach that point for me.
I don’t see what happened on January 6th even in the same universe as the BLM protests. You can put all the BLM damage numbers in a nice little box, the countless day, the dozens of cities, and total it all up to make it look really bad. It was still a protest.
January 6th was not a protest. You don’t just show up to a protest and accidentally end up in the halls of congress with a bunch of zip ties. “Whoops, how’d I get here?”
Democracy is my number one issue. I know you guys won’t like to hear that. The commie that supports Biden can’t love democracy but it’s true. I would choose capitalism with democracy over authoritarian socialism/communism. This was an attack on democracy. It was driven by lies about election fraud and it was intended to overturn a fair election. That is not the same as the violence that came with protesting for black lives.
Inherent to Democracy is my number one issue - Liberty.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine
I get thinking Trump is a low life piece of shit, but how you can stand around and allow the abject silencing - by corporate oligarchs no less - of a fellow citizen is beyond me. Not only hypocritical, it's antithetical to the Democracy you hold dear.
- I believe social media sites need to be allowed to have a tos
- I believe article 230 must remain
- I don’t see any ending to the Trumper led criticism that isn’t government oversight. It’s always hyper focused on the bans. It’s never “break up big tech”, it’s “we must protect free speech”.
- I have heard, for over a decade, about how government sucks, business is the best, builders want to build good buildings, let the market decide and now, all of the sudden, let’s push super hard for government regulation?
- I think libertarians are being used. I think Trumpers know this will result in the government stepping in and they want that. So if the pendulum swings back, they have that power.
- We’re dealing with fascism. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get through this. Many difficult decisions will be made and some of them will be hard to swallow. I try to always keep the Patriot Act in the back of my mind but I also think this threat is more dangerous than terrorism ever was. Freedom is difficult to balance, I hope we can avoid the same mistakes we’ve made before but I don’t know how it’s going to go.
