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Magic Shrooms now legal in Oregon
NorthwestFresh
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Makes the roads a lot safer.
Meth, heroin, and cocaine for personal use also decriminalized.
What a disaster of a state I live in.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-elections-oregon-01edca37c776c9ea8bfd4afdd7a7a33e
Meth, heroin, and cocaine for personal use also decriminalized.
What a disaster of a state I live in.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-elections-oregon-01edca37c776c9ea8bfd4afdd7a7a33e
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This will wreak absolute havoc in the small towns around Oregon. In Portland this is just confirming what’s already being allowed. Many of these small towns have no police already anyway. And are economically depressed. At least the ones that didn’t burn down 2 months ago. Look for addiction to meth and heroine to reach epidemic proportions in the next year or two. There’s not nearly enough money saved in jail space and marijuana taxes to provide even a 1/10 of what rehab facilities would need to serve the new addicts.
Look for Eastern WA and Idaho real estate values to spike at unprecedented levels. -
I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
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Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down. -
Nothing is legalized except medical/clinical use of shrooms. No the usage isn’t getting normalized and the amounts won’t skyrocket. It’s still illegal to produce or sell all of these substances. The “bad hombres” will still get busted. But now the much more harmless users will be let go, and hopefully as time goes on directed to a rehab. But now they won’t be wasting police time and tax payer dollars. If these users break a law, as in b&e or a violent crime, then they still get dealt with as criminals. But now simply walking around with one of these substances by itself won’t be a reason to waste a cop’s time or the limited jail space that exists in some of these west coast cities that I have spent plenty of time in and am very aware of the drug problems. The problem has only gotten worse. It’s time to change our approach. This is level-headed thinking.
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Yeah dope flooding the streets is a good thing. Holy Shit people are stupid!
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It’s a hundred fine or a pledge to attend rehab at a facility that doesn’t exist. They have all been decriminalized.
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Decriminalizing doesn’t equal legalizing.
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In no way does this somehow mean “dope” will flood the street.
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Like burning down Portland isn't a crime crime?Duckwithabone said:Decriminalizing doesn’t equal legalizing.
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Not entirely sure what that means but yes arson is a crime.Sledog said:
Like burning down Portland isn't a crime crime?Duckwithabone said:Decriminalizing doesn’t equal legalizing.
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Feel free to move.NorthwestFresh said:
What a disaster of a state I live in.
Mississippi is probably more your speed. -
Found the guy who doesn’t know the difference between a crime and an infraction.Duckwithabone said:Decriminalizing doesn’t equal legalizing.
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https://katu.com/news/local/protests-marches-planned-in-portland-as-election-results-tallied-wednesday
Now that the election is over, Kate finally uses the National Guard as a tool to quell the riots. -
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid. -
No, it won't. The same amount of junkies will exist. The war on drugs is retarded and a colossal waste of time and money. Bust big dealers and focus on rehab and prevention.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down. -
RoadDawg55 said:
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid.
bUT tHE WaR oN dRuGs!!!
The battle cry for every millennial that watches a shitty Vice documentary.
Guess what happens when demand becomes more than supply. The suppliers ramp up their efforts. And then you end up with more addicts. When you have more addicts, you have more crime. Crimes that currently are rarely prosecuted. In Portland proper, crime is already up almost 200% for the year. It has little to do with riot crimes as few of those are prosecuted. It has more to do with the pandemic and the Economic carnage caused.
If you're OK with innocents suffering more due to dimestore Policy, just say that. And these faery tail rehab centers that don’t exist, never will. As Marijuana receipts aren’t close enough to fund them.
Bit of a reply fail as I meant to reply to both you and The Marshall -
Hopefully this encourages the homeless junkies of Greater-Seattle to move south to Portland.
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If you build it they will come!
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But but but but LAW & ORDER!!!!!! Somewhere out there are lonely pearls that need clutching.Kaepsknee said:RoadDawg55 said:
Why would burglaries and home invasions explode? Addicts that do that type of shit aren’t worried whether the drugs are decriminalized or not. They just want their fix.Kaepsknee said:
Noted idealogue weighs in. This was not the time to push this through. Once the eviction moratorium expires Jan 1st, there will be thousands more on the streets in Oregon.Duckwithabone said:I generally don’t think Oregonians make good governing decisions, but they nailed this. As usual the west coast is ahead of the curve.
Normalizing usage of highly addictive drugs like meth, Coke, heroin and oxy will destroy current solvent families and put more on the street in addition. Clearly you haven’t spent much time in our Cities on the West Coast other than the ‘Burbs to truly believe this is a good idea.
Property crimes, burglaries and home invasions will explode. Most property crimes now aren’t prosecuted and burglary suspects are mostly released on OR to never show up in court.
Believe the people that say they wish to see it all burn down.
I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not. I’ll leave that to others but thinking this will create more crime is pretty stupid.
bUT tHE WaR oN dRuGs!!!
The battle cry for every millennial that watches a shitty Vice documentary.
Guess what happens when demand becomes more than supply. The suppliers ramp up their efforts. And then you end up with more addicts. When you have more addicts, you have more crime. Crimes that currently are rarely prosecuted. In Portland proper, crime is already up almost 200% for the year. It has little to do with riot crimes as few of those are prosecuted. It has more to do with the pandemic and the Economic carnage caused.
If you're OK with innocents suffering more due to dimestore Policy, just say that. And these faery tail rehab centers that don’t exist, never will. As Marijuana receipts aren’t close enough to fund them.
Bit of a reply fail as I meant to reply to both you and The Marshall -
I would have voted for this one in WA.
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GrundleStiltzkin said:
I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
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Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit. Which leads to my friend being in prison periodically. Use, rob people, use, rob, finally get caught robbing and it’s back to Stayton.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either, although I’m not opposed to it.
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I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either. -
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic.
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Fare poont on the demand stream. As far as I can tell, this doesn't change anything for dealers.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic. -
At worst for them, things stay the same. At best, more people use now that there isn’t a real legal deterrent against it. No downside for dealers and producers. The few people that do go to jail for possession alone now will be on the outside using, too.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fare poont on the demand stream. As far as I can tell, this doesn't change anything for dealers.NorthwestFresh said:
I disagree on meth and heroin use being victimless crimes. Plenty of victims involved in making, distributing, and selling them, and many addicts have families and friends impacted by their use.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Good, let's separate victim-less crimes from the others.NorthwestFresh said:
Most aren’t in jail for possession. Most are in jail for the crimes they commit to gain possession of either heroin or meth. I’d add crack too, but in my limited but existent experience with drugs in Oregon, crack doesn’t seem to be nearly as big a problem as are meth and heroin.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't want anyone doing any of those, meth in particular. But they do. My only point is, what good is locking up these people? My mind has changed dramatically on this over the last 10 years.NorthwestFresh said:
Shrooms aren’t that big of a deal. Natural medicine. Same as weed. I’ve seen one of my best friends from college have his life ruined by meth and I’m extremely biased against it. There are zero positive results using meth. I can’t imagine a life that ever gets better by starting meth. Which then leads to crimes to support the habit.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Is what we're doing now changing any of that? Endless dump of money and pain for little result.NorthwestFresh said:
Yes, we? definitely need more addicts as a nation.GrundleStiltzkin said:I would have voted for this one in WA.
I don’t have any real experience with heroin, so I won’t comment on it other than recovering addicts say it’s a horrible drug to need and the withdrawal sickness can make death feel like a better option.
Having done cocaine recreationally in my early 20s, it’s not really that big a deal to me and it’s not really physically addictive but I don’t see an upside to decriminalizing it, either.
I realize severe alcoholism has the same impact on friends and family, but that’s another topic.
Doesn’t really matter much anyhow since police forces in the cities here are getting smaller, anyhow.
2021 should be a big one for the meth and heroin trade.
