Call it now: who will start at QB?
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Why must you drag me into this shit?Gladstone said:
@GrundleStiltzkin @RaceBannon @PurpleBaze @Sources @doogie please to be getting your votes in. I will be taking screenshots tonight and looking for maximum number of people to lambast. TIA
I don't give a flying fuck who starts. I'm sure all of the QBs are equally worthless.
Vapid season, vapid team, & vapid conference...
Fuck if I'm ever going to waste even a minute of my life watching the Huskies. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
Explosive postPurpleBaze said:
Why must you drag me into this shit?Gladstone said:
@GrundleStiltzkin @RaceBannon @PurpleBaze @Sources @doogie please to be getting your votes in. I will be taking screenshots tonight and looking for maximum number of people to lambast. TIA
I don't give a flying fuck who starts. I'm sure all of the QBs are equally worthless.
Vapid season, vapid team, & vapid conference...
Fuck if I'm ever going to waste even a minute of my life watching the Huskies. -
BTW, sorry about the tirade, Gladdy - nothing against you. I still love you.
I actually just hate the team and the school any more.
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Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)PurpleBaze said:
BTW, sorry about the tirade, Gladdy - nothing against you. I still love you.
I actually just hate the team and the school any more.
Just kidding bud. You're good. At least you saw the glory years and got out when the going was good. I'm profoundly warped which is why I cling to dooging and this stupid program like a relentless parasite. Except I'm the host. And the punchline. -
Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)It’s going to be Garners as soon as the first guy struggles. I think it will be Thompson or Sirmon to begin with.
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For the record, I dooged for 28 seasons before burning out last year. Yes, it was nice to be on campus in the early 90's. But, to be honest, it also made me expect that level of success in the future.Gladstone said:PurpleBaze said:BTW, sorry about the tirade, Gladdy - nothing against you. I still love you.
I actually just hate the team and the school any more.
Just kidding bud. You're good. At least you saw the glory years and got out when the going was good. I'm profoundly warped which is why I cling to dooging and this stupid program like a relentless parasite. Except I'm the host. And the punchline.
I don't blame you for being Doogstone. Someone has to keep the fandom going when the bitter, jaded assholes like me flame out and walk away. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)RaceBannon said:
Explosive postPurpleBaze said:
Why must you drag me into this shit?Gladstone said:
@GrundleStiltzkin @RaceBannon @PurpleBaze @Sources @doogie please to be getting your votes in. I will be taking screenshots tonight and looking for maximum number of people to lambast. TIA
I don't give a flying fuck who starts. I'm sure all of the QBs are equally worthless.
Vapid season, vapid team, & vapid conference...
Fuck if I'm ever going to waste even a minute of my life watching the Huskies.
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Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)PurpleBaze said:
For the record, I dooged for 28 seasons before burning out last year. Yes, it was nice to be on campus in the early 90's. But, to be honest, it also made me expect that level of success in the future.Gladstone said:PurpleBaze said:BTW, sorry about the tirade, Gladdy - nothing against you. I still love you.
I actually just hate the team and the school any more.
Just kidding bud. You're good. At least you saw the glory years and got out when the going was good. I'm profoundly warped which is why I cling to dooging and this stupid program like a relentless parasite. Except I'm the host. And the punchline.
I don't blame you for being Doogstone. Someone has to keep the fandom going when the bitter, jaded assholes like me flame out and walk away.
To be standing in Picardo Farms Pea Patch on a crisp October day
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Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)I think Lake shocks the world, throws away the playbook next week, and starts a QB we haven't thought of.
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Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
You play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. If that's Sirmon, great. If it's not you don't play him because you're worried about losing him that's asinine.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
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Dylan Morris (Graham-Kapowsin)If Sirmon isn't the guy to start, losing him to transfer is baked into the decision.
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Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)If Sirmon isn't good enough to start why would anyone care if he leaves?
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Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU? -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
Obviously if he's clearly not the best guy you don't start him ... that was never my point.dnc said:
You play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. If that's Sirmon, great. If it's not you don't play him because you're worried about losing him that's asinine.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
I don't see a QB on the roster that is heads and shoulders above Sirmon at this point ... which all things being equal that makes Sirmon the "safe" option to start.
The most talented QB on this roster is Garbers but I don't envision a scenario where he's starting this year. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
Not gonna look past last year, but in 2019 it was 52:48 run:pass. Count the 29 sacks as passing plays, and it's 49:51 run:pass.Tequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
And how does one JUST watch the shit show that was the 2019 offense and STILL clamor for the guy with "arm talent"? Fuck arm talent, give me the guy who can play. Fuck, give me Browning back at this point. Also, it's interesting how strong the opinions are about a group of quarterbacks that nobody's actually seen play. I mean, based off the feeling I pulled out of the depths of my ass ravine, Dylan Morris will never step on a football field in Husky tan and purple. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
That is quite the statement. I think the likeliest to start is Sirmon. He's the frontrunner given his experience in the program. If the season had been in the spring I think Garbers would have overtaken him. I think Thompson is the insurance blanket that you can throw in there and get C+ performance from. He will get playing time.1to392831weretaken said:
Not gonna look past last year, but in 2019 it was 52:48 run:pass. Count the 29 sacks as passing plays, and it's 49:51 run:pass.Tequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
And how does one JUST watch the shit show that was the 2019 offense and STILL clamor for the guy with "arm talent"? Fuck arm talent, give me the guy who can play. Fuck, give me Browning back at this point. Also, it's interesting how strong the opinions are about a group of quarterbacks that nobody's actually seen play. I mean, based off the feeling I pulled out of the depths of my ass ravine, Dylan Morris will never step on a football field in Husky tan and purple.
People also overestimate the coaches ability to pick a good quarterback. There have been countless times where coaches pick a starter and it's readily apparent after a game or two that they had no clue what they were doing. Sam Darnold got beat out by Max Browne. Justin Fields got beat out by Jake Fromm. Joe Burrow got beaten out by a bunch of guys. This may be a pick about who takes the first snaps, but the long-term starter is a completely different question, and we're not going to know for at least a couple games. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
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Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)
Maybe he's factoring in the WR screens and the fact that Browning couldn't throw with velocity more than 5 yards downfield.dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes. -
Dylan Morris (Graham-Kapowsin)
DisagreeTequilla said:
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes. -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
Once you count sacks as passes rather than runs you get the following percentages the past 5 seasons:Tequilla said:
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes.
2019: 50.3% run, 49.7% pass
2018: 55.7% run, 44.3% pass
2017: 55.2% run, 44.8% pass
2016: 53.7% run, 46.3% pass
2015: 50.9% run, 49.1% pass
Considering some of those runs were still designed passes where the QB scrambled for yards (Browning was oddly decent at this, I don't think Eason did it as much) your true play call percentages are more varying from 50:50 to 55:45.
I can't see them going 60:40 this year. -
Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)We run the ball more when we are ahead. We pass more when behind. Not that complicated.
Since we are going 9-0 this year we should be able to hit 60:40.
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Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
I’m going off 60% based on how the numbers roll in ...dnc said:
Once you count sacks as passes rather than runs you get the following percentages the past 5 seasons:Tequilla said:
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes.
2019: 50.3% run, 49.7% pass
2018: 55.7% run, 44.3% pass
2017: 55.2% run, 44.8% pass
2016: 53.7% run, 46.3% pass
2015: 50.9% run, 49.1% pass
Considering some of those runs were still designed passes where the QB scrambled for yards (Browning was oddly decent at this, I don't think Eason did it as much) your true play call percentages are more varying from 50:50 to 55:45.
I can't see them going 60:40 this year.
You’re saying 55% because you’ve done math to normalize
We’re saying effectively the same thing -
Ethan Garbers (Corona Del Mar)
And, of course, who knows how many of these were RPOs full blown audibles from run to pass or vice versa.dnc said:
Once you count sacks as passes rather than runs you get the following percentages the past 5 seasons:Tequilla said:
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes.
2019: 50.3% run, 49.7% pass
2018: 55.7% run, 44.3% pass
2017: 55.2% run, 44.8% pass
2016: 53.7% run, 46.3% pass
2015: 50.9% run, 49.1% pass
Considering some of those runs were still designed passes where the QB scrambled for yards (Browning was oddly decent at this, I don't think Eason did it as much) your true play call percentages are more varying from 50:50 to 55:45.
I can't see them going 60:40 this year.
There's a lot of noise in the data but I don't see anything to suggest they want a 60-40 split other than the idea that if they're up big they will naturally run more so of course everyone wants a split like that for those reasons. -
Jacob Sirmon (Bothell)
Now you’re cherry picking into “either way it will be interesting” territorydnc said:
And, of course, who knows how many of these were RPOs full blown audibles from run to pass or vice versa.dnc said:
Once you count sacks as passes rather than runs you get the following percentages the past 5 seasons:Tequilla said:
2016: 57%/43% Run/Pass for both all games and in conference (heavy pass games against USC, Arizona St, Alabama)dnc said:
There’s no fucking wayTequilla said:
We’ve been 60/40 effectively over the last handful of years I believednc said:
I’ll be shocked if they are 60-40 run-pass. If so that means we don’t have a QB.Tequilla said:
Sirmon's thrown 3 passes in a game and nobody has really seen anything about him in over 12 months minimum and really more like 18 months. To say that a QB isn't going to grow a bit in that time period is probably missing the mark.haie said:
There is no right play this year. They're going with Sirmon because of his years in the program, but the constant bad decisions and terrible inaccuracy on a lot of throws can't have changed much from last year.Tequilla said:The Game 1 starter should be Sirmon ... it's the "politically correct" thing to do and here's why:
If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone ... he's already given you plenty of warning on that.
Thompson has obvious game experience but unless he wows he's the guy that you have as a package and/or backup QB.
Morris I don't think is a lost cause but I also don't expect him to ever take a meaningful snap at UW. It'd be TERRIBLE optics for him to start unless he's decidedly better. Starting Sirmon over him makes sense and is hard for Morris to not look at that move as working to gear up for the eventual battle between Morris/Garbers/Huard.
Garbers IMO is probably the most talented of the current QBs on the roster but I can't imagine that COVID has helped him in being able to play this year and he's almost assuredly heading for a redshirt season. I'm FASCINATED in seeing how Lake carves out a meaningful role for both Garbers and Huard because the giant risk with Huard is that he clears out Morris/Garbers on the roster and our depth goes to dogshit.
Sirmon's the right play because not only do I think he has the most arm talent of the existing group, but I also think he buys the staff time to get Huard in next year and allow everything to play itself out in additional competition over the next 10 months before Game 1 of 2021. Worst thing that this staff can do right now is go about looking at the QB position that thins it out. I'm not saying that this season doesn't matter (it does, don't twist), but roster management is going to be critical given the recruiting challenges that we've had for the 2021 class and implications moving on to 2022.
Thomson isn't here to start, Morris would have a chance if Pete still coached here which thank Christ he doesn't, and they aren't throwing a year away on a true freshman.
You're FASCINATED by all this? Bored of tweeting about garbage ass mountain west fucking TCU?
The thing about Sirmon is that UW doesn't need him to be great. They need him to make the throws that are there. They are going to be a 60/40 run to pass team at minimum in my mind. But there's going to be a lot of play action and the ability for Sirmon to push the ball down the field and I'm confident that he's got the best arm on the roster.
If he is showing a lot of bad decisions and inaccuracy that leads to turnovers, then he clearly won't start and losing him as a transfer isn't that big of a deal obviously.
My guess though is that Sirmon's marginally the better option and as you mentioned his "experience" is going to win the day for him. Morris would have a shot but in my view really only if Sirmon's turnover propensity is large. Garbers would have to lap the field in my mind to earn the job.
2017: 58%/42% all games; 60%/40% conference (highest pass game was Game 1 vs Rutgers at 56% pass)
2018: 58%/42% all games; 63%/37% conference (only games over 50/50 were North Dakota and Ohio St)
2019: 53%/47% all games (excluding the Boise game); 52%/48% conference (very skewed passing in games we chased at Stanford and Utah)
My sense is that last year a mix of injuries, being enamored with "arm talent" and game situations pushed the mix more towards 50/50. I think in general the goal is to be much closer to 60/40 (see 2016-2018 - all years we either won or shared the North title outright). A young QB would also suggest to me that we're going to return to the 2016-2018 levels.
The comment about "QB Sacks" is a fair one on the mix and it does likely push the "play call" mix down a bit. That being said, trying to parse that data out is much more of an exercise that IMO isn't super value added.
I think with the way that UW's built its program (strong on both sides of the line, bad weather back half of the year, emphasis on TEs) that the 60/40 mix is really something to keep an eye on. If/When we've traditionally been in that 60%+ run ratio, it's an indication of dominating play at the LOS and a big time leading indicator of our success. Where that indicator will change a bit is when it comes to playing the elite programs where we may not be as dominant on the LOS and that's where you're going to need the high end QB/WR skills needed to pick up chunk plays as sustaining drives on the ground vanishes.
2019: 50.3% run, 49.7% pass
2018: 55.7% run, 44.3% pass
2017: 55.2% run, 44.8% pass
2016: 53.7% run, 46.3% pass
2015: 50.9% run, 49.1% pass
Considering some of those runs were still designed passes where the QB scrambled for yards (Browning was oddly decent at this, I don't think Eason did it as much) your true play call percentages are more varying from 50:50 to 55:45.
I can't see them going 60:40 this year.
There's a lot of noise in the data but I don't see anything to suggest they want a 60-40 split other than the idea that if they're up big they will naturally run more so of course everyone wants a split like that for those reasons.
Obviously you run more when up ... your 2015/2019 numbers prove that
And you’re proving my point ... a heavy run emphasis is a desired quality and it’s also something (being a physical run team) that Lake has mentioned repeatedly -
Kevin Thomson (Auburn Riverside)I would love if UW had a run-first program, but I don't see it happening. And I think the stats over the last several years are skewed by a lot of late handoffs to MMFG, etc with big leads against gassed defenses. When the game was in doubt? Nah, I very rarely saw a real commitment to being run-heavy.
The part that induced the hardest eyeroll was "If Sirmon doesn't win the job then you can almost guarantee that he's gone"
He's already left once, has he not? Why should I care. It's what QBs do these days anyway.
...Because of some silly "hope" bullshit, I picked the guy who has actually done...anything...after high school. EWIWBI.
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