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Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

True, who can forget about well capitalism works in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, or the Soviet Union. Capitalism thrives in regulation!!!

I am dumbfounded at this guy. I also beat you by 53 seconds. "Heavy regulation is the engine of growth!" - said no economist ever

Sure, obviously when I said regulation is necessary I was advocating criminalizing private industry, said no MBA ever.

You should actually listen to the people you vote for

You first.

I love a booming economy. That's why I voted for Trump

Biden's ban on fracking alone is an economy killer

Despite it being a regulation

One of the classic economic problems with the free market, identified by the most pro-capitalist econ faculty you can ever imagine--the UW econ and business faculty of the 1970s--is externalities. What, besides no regulation on fracking at all, are you advocating?

There is nothing on earth that cant be regulated into the ground under the justification of "externality".... But that wasn't what you originally said...

Maybe try again without the general "capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives."

Here Ill do it for you... "Capitalism requires a delicate balance of free market individual liberty working in conjunction with regulation mostly around monopolies, individual property rights, and intellectual property. There are some cases where healthy debate and small regulations around specific, and limited, externalities should be implemented via the established legal process due to the particularly unbounded definition of externality and historical propensity of the State to collect power."

If you are just inarticulately trying to say; "big business loves big government" I agree... but I dont think that is what you are saying...

GrundleStiltzkin said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

And by "barely taxed" the Dazzler is referring to tax rate of 25%.

Flat taxers are morons. You can get the tax code to incentivize and disincentivize all sorts of things when you're not a simpleton.

The tax code is byzantine tyranny borne of complexity.

TurdBomber said:

HHusky said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

True, who can forget about well capitalism works in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, or the Soviet Union. Capitalism thrives in regulation!!!

I am dumbfounded at this guy. I also beat you by 53 seconds. "Heavy regulation is the engine of growth!" - said no economist ever

Sure, obviously when I said regulation is necessary I was advocating criminalizing private industry, said no MBA ever.

You should actually listen to the people you vote for

You first.

I love a booming economy. That's why I voted for Trump

Biden's ban on fracking alone is an economy killer

Despite it being a regulation

One of the classic economic problems with the free market, identified by the most pro-capitalist econ faculty you can ever imagine--the UW econ and business faculty of the 1970s--is externalities. What, besides no regulation on fracking at all, are you advocating?

There is nothing on earth that cant be regulated into the ground under the justification of "externality".... But that wasn't what you originally said...

Maybe try again without the general "capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives."

Here Ill do it for you... "Capitalism requires a delicate balance of free market individual liberty working in conjunction with regulation mostly around monopolies, individual property rights, and intellectual property. There are some cases where healthy debate and small regulations around specific, and limited, externalities should be implemented via the established legal process due to the particularly unbounded definition of externality and historical propensity of the State to collect power."

If you are just inarticulately trying to say; "big business loves big government" I agree... but I dont think that is what you are saying...

You mean there aren't just two camps? "Regulation Bad!" and "Regulation Good!"?

You'll remind me when a TugCon ever did anything but celebrate all deregulation, won't you?

It must piss you off that you have to (grudgingly) agree with me.

There's a million examples among smarter posters in the Tug of explaining the need for reasonable regulations.

But now that your ovaries are tied up in a bunch, it's not worth the effort it would take to show you.

Maybe when you're off the rag.