Zoom Towns
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The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back. -
We only moved to a Zoom town because in Mrs Snow’s bidness there seem to be a lot of remote type roles. The only caveat is close by regional airport. We still took some risk, sure, but we’ve got a lot of meat on our bones and a smaller mortgage payment than Seattle.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
How'd the move go? How's it goign overall? We'll have to do that lunch in Bend. I've never been and want to check it out.YellowSnow said:
We only moved to a Zoom town because in Mrs Snow’s bidness there seem to be a lot of remote type roles. The only caveat is close by regional airport. We still took some risk, sure, but we’ve got a lot of meat on our bones and a smaller mortgage payment than Seattle.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/75162/the-shoppe-has-moved-aka-pump-my-gas-duck/p1creepycoug said:
How'd the move go? How's it goign overall? We'll have to do that lunch in Bend. I've never been and want to check it out.YellowSnow said:
We only moved to a Zoom town because in Mrs Snow’s bidness there seem to be a lot of remote type roles. The only caveat is close by regional airport. We still took some risk, sure, but we’ve got a lot of meat on our bones and a smaller mortgage payment than Seattle.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
I like to think every technological advancement will affect society in the exact same way as the last whilst simultaneously believing that permanent exponential growth doesn't run afoul of the laws of thermodynamics. It's what I like to do.UW_Doog_Bot said:As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting.
Exponential growth is a motherfucker. Paying the piper isn't going to be fun for our kids or grandkids or whoever gets left holding the bag.
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Even before the ANTIFA shit, downtown biz was freaking out hard over COVID because of their reliance on people visiting the shops at lunch while working, etc. People who still commute are no longer making stops between home and the office. Remote work exacerbates that problem.RaceBannon said:https://msn.com/en-us/news/us/40-million-americans-are-at-risk-of-eviction-without-a-stimulus-bill/ar-BB17GEPC?ocid=msedgntp
Zoom this. I think its great that the 1% can now work from their oceanfront homes and not have to commute from their fabulously rich in town neighborhood. Might want to stock up on guns and ammo in case unwelcome guests show up
The thousands of small businesses and the millions of people already out may not find comfort in this
Sorry for being the man of the people but I am. We have the largest crisis in our history waiting for us when we? wake the fuck up from this dream
Personally, I don't really care. I'd rather have a handful of shops in my town than have to go to Seattle or other large areas. Fuck people. I'm all-in on the rebirth of villages. -
I don't think that's what he said.1to392831weretaken said:
I like to think every technological advancement will affect society in the exact same way as the last whilst simultaneously believing that permanent exponential growth doesn't run afoul of the laws of thermodynamics. It's what I like to do.UW_Doog_Bot said:As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting.
Exponential growth is a motherfucker. Paying the piper isn't going to be fun for our kids or grandkids or whoever gets left holding the bag.
In any event, implied in what he did say is that people will adapt. It's not going to be an overnight thing. People thought app rides would fuck all the taxi drivers. And here we are.
It usually doesn't happen overnight, and in a free market economy, it technically happens because we want it to happen. The delivery of better and better goods and services more cheaply and efficiently is overwhelmingly a good thing. Displaced people figure out something else, and generations that follow go into other lines of work.
After all, what did all the blacksmiths do when that vocation dried up?
You can't stop or wish away progress. It is the best argument, which Mark Cuban recently made, for the benefits of a broadly liberal education. Don't go learn one thing. Go learn to be a better learner and acquire some critical thinking skills while you're at it. Some quant skills wouldn't hurt either. But make yourself, intellectually, an athlete; not a specialist.
My kid is pursuing graduate studies in math and statistics. I can almost guarantee you that she won't be a math professor, and eventually might not even use those quant. skills herself. -
Co-sign.creepycoug said:
I don't think that's what he said.1to392831weretaken said:
I like to think every technological advancement will affect society in the exact same way as the last whilst simultaneously believing that permanent exponential growth doesn't run afoul of the laws of thermodynamics. It's what I like to do.UW_Doog_Bot said:As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting.
Exponential growth is a motherfucker. Paying the piper isn't going to be fun for our kids or grandkids or whoever gets left holding the bag.
In any event, implied in what he did say is that people will adapt. It's not going to be an overnight thing. People thought app rides would fuck all the taxi drivers. And here we are.
It usually doesn't happen overnight, and in a free market economy, it technically happens because we want it to happen. The delivery of better and better goods and services more cheaply and efficiently is overwhelmingly a good thing. Displaced people figure out something else, and generations that follow go into other lines of work.
After all, what did all the blacksmiths do when that vocation dried up?
You can't stop or wish away progress. It is the best argument, which Mark Cuban recently made, for the benefits of a broadly liberal education. Don't go learn one thing. Go learn to be a better learner and acquire some critical thinking skills while you're at it. Some quant skills wouldn't hurt either. But make yourself, intellectually, an athlete; not a specialist.
My kid is pursuing graduate studies in math and statistics. I can almost guarantee you that she won't be a math professor, and eventually might not even use those quant. skills herself.
Many of the jobs of tomorrow (that sounds lame, but I’ll go with it) haven’t been invented yet. Getting as broad of an education as possible is the best way to prepare the workforce.
This is not to say I disagree with you @1to392831weretaken, we need a lot more people in trades. I wish our culture stopped treating them as “lesser” vocations.
Getting back to the OP, the Zoom Towns will ultimately be a good thing IMO because they’ll bring in talent and money into towns that were left out of the rise of big tech. That will ultimately allow people who can’t telecommute more opportunities. I know a savvy restaurant owner in Seattle that is making lemonade out of COVID lemons and moving his place to Idaho because that’s where a lot of his old customers are heading. -
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby -
RaceBannon said:
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby
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Carpet laying pays mor than Aptos house husbanding.RaceBannon said:
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby -
From a financial standpoint Aptos way out kicked me in marriage. I married for love. I have to work lolYellowSnow said:
Carpet laying pays mor than Aptos house husbanding.RaceBannon said:
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby -
Me too.RaceBannon said:
From a financial standpoint Aptos way out kicked me in marriage. I married for love. I have to work lolYellowSnow said:
Carpet laying pays mor than Aptos house husbanding.RaceBannon said:
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby -
I only know about LA being a cesspool from Rogan (not that it wasn’t in many ways before all this). He’s not the only big podcaster leaving. Seems many there are seeing the light and realizing you don’t actually have to be there to work in entertainment.DerekJohnson said:
Once upon a time, Los Angeles was seen as paradise on earth. Today's boon can be tomorrow's plague.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place.
If you are a behind the scenes person (camera, grip, sound, production) you are kind of fucked and have to be there, but many of the ones that can get out are doing so. I was thinking the other day how fucked thousands are down there without production going on. That’s where the real mass exodus will come from. Many of those people were already struggling to keep up. $600 a week down there isn’t gonna cut it. These people don’t have nest eggs. -
Anyone beating the automation drum and saying "they'll take are jerbssss" is missing some key concepts in economics.1to392831weretaken said:
I like to think every technological advancement will affect society in the exact same way as the last whilst simultaneously believing that permanent exponential growth doesn't run afoul of the laws of thermodynamics. It's what I like to do.UW_Doog_Bot said:As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting.
Exponential growth is a motherfucker. Paying the piper isn't going to be fun for our kids or grandkids or whoever gets left holding the bag.
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This. Once upon a tim it was a big deal for a town to get a Starbucks. Now, lots of them have independent gourmet coffee shops. Expect the continued climb up the ladder.Doog_de_Jour said:
Co-sign.creepycoug said:
I don't think that's what he said.1to392831weretaken said:
I like to think every technological advancement will affect society in the exact same way as the last whilst simultaneously believing that permanent exponential growth doesn't run afoul of the laws of thermodynamics. It's what I like to do.UW_Doog_Bot said:As for the constant refrains of "automation will put everyone out of work" the same thing was said about the steam engine, large scale machine farm equipment, and PC's. It just frees people from monotonous work and moves labor up the capital chain.
You no longer will be able to get a degree in astronomy and then get a job in payroll sure, and there will probably be a hollowing out of tech, but that will probably be from sectors that were already outsourced to places like India anyway.
The exponential growth other sectors will receive though will be more than off setting.
Exponential growth is a motherfucker. Paying the piper isn't going to be fun for our kids or grandkids or whoever gets left holding the bag.
In any event, implied in what he did say is that people will adapt. It's not going to be an overnight thing. People thought app rides would fuck all the taxi drivers. And here we are.
It usually doesn't happen overnight, and in a free market economy, it technically happens because we want it to happen. The delivery of better and better goods and services more cheaply and efficiently is overwhelmingly a good thing. Displaced people figure out something else, and generations that follow go into other lines of work.
After all, what did all the blacksmiths do when that vocation dried up?
You can't stop or wish away progress. It is the best argument, which Mark Cuban recently made, for the benefits of a broadly liberal education. Don't go learn one thing. Go learn to be a better learner and acquire some critical thinking skills while you're at it. Some quant skills wouldn't hurt either. But make yourself, intellectually, an athlete; not a specialist.
My kid is pursuing graduate studies in math and statistics. I can almost guarantee you that she won't be a math professor, and eventually might not even use those quant. skills herself.
Many of the jobs of tomorrow (that sounds lame, but I’ll go with it) haven’t been invented yet. Getting as broad of an education as possible is the best way to prepare the workforce.
This is not to say I disagree with you @1to392831weretaken, we need a lot more people in trades. I wish our culture stopped treating them as “lesser” vocations.
Getting back to the OP, the Zoom Towns will ultimately be a good thing IMO because they’ll bring in talent and money into towns that were left out of the rise of big tech. That will ultimately allow people who can’t telecommute more opportunities. I know a savvy restaurant owner in Seattle that is making lemonade out of COVID lemons and moving his place to Idaho because that’s where a lot of his old customers are heading.
Tomorrow's jobs exist today in many ways they'll just be bigger segments of the economy. Art & entertainment, services, events and travel(after covid), etc. Just look at what people do when they have more money and time. That's what people will do as technology advances and allows human capital to be more productive. -
Boomer middle managers and worthless HR people are so fucked for the foreseeable future
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Pitchfork51 said:
Boomer middle managers and worthless HR people are so fucked for the foreseeable future
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Lol so the operations manager myself and my controller hired (who is a godsend) to take care of bullshit....
I overheard him tell our staff accountant.."you're on your phone alot"
She gave him a straight up "wtf mind your own business" look and I died.
Boomers gotta boomer. -
HR bitch that used to hassle me over being 15 minutes late to the office just got FIRED for incompetence right after the covid money ran out. Hate to see it happen.Pitchfork51 said:Lol so the operations manager myself and my controller hired (who is a godsend) to take care of bullshit....
I overheard him tell our staff accountant.."you're on your phone alot"
She gave him a straight up "wtf mind your own business" look and I died.
Boomers gotta boomer. -
So much this. Only reason I am still tethered to Northern Virginia at all is jobs jobs jobs. If we move closer to the point of working from anywhere, all bets are off. West Virginia or Utah here I cum! Live where the taxes are low, government is low, Jeeping and hunting are high, and work wherever remotely? Sign me the fuck up.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
Utah has too many fucking mormons and they have their own pet nanny state laws. Over the border into Arizona or Wyoming instead.Swaye said:
So much this. Only reason I am still tethered to Northern Virginia at all is jobs jobs jobs. If we move closer to the point of working from anywhere, all bets are off. West Virginia or Utah here I cum! Live where the taxes are low, government is low, Jeeping and hunting are high, and work wherever remotely? Sign me the fuck up.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
Utah has some good spots that are less mormony. But WY or MY is @Swaye cuntry.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Utah has too many fucking mormons and they have their own pet nanny state laws. Over the border into Arizona or Wyoming instead.Swaye said:
So much this. Only reason I am still tethered to Northern Virginia at all is jobs jobs jobs. If we move closer to the point of working from anywhere, all bets are off. West Virginia or Utah here I cum! Live where the taxes are low, government is low, Jeeping and hunting are high, and work wherever remotely? Sign me the fuck up.creepycoug said:
This could be a boon for places like Montana and Idaho. A lot of people, yours truly included, love it there (assuming you can flee for the winter), but even with Boise, there isn't enough commerce in that region. You move to Montana and whatever gig you had going folds for whatever reason then you are fucked unless you want to open the 10,000th fly fishing store. We? have manufacturing facilities over there and some regional HQ shit. All of the people in the office jobs have always angled for a spot in Seattle even though they'd be upside down housing-wise. It was because of the economic risk of losing their job with us and being incapable of replacing it.doogie said:My oldest started a new position at a Big software co. in Feb. He manages a large highly visible project with teams of engineers. Hasn’t been to the office once.
He’s recently begun shopping for waterfront homes in more remote areas reflecting what he calls the new norm.
That won't matter in a world where people are all over the place. -
South Dakota
For 6 to 9 months -
The last thing Montana and Wyoming need is more fags like us and Kanye moving there. Don't be that Californian guy.
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It’s a rite of passage. You’re not a real US state until everything’s been ruined by Californian transplants.biak1 said:The last thing Montana and Wyoming need is more fags like us and Kanye moving there. Don't be that Californian guy.
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I was a Utah fag so they let me intobiak1 said:The last thing Montana and Wyoming need is more fags like us and Kanye moving there. Don't be that Californian guy.
WY no problem. -
But your sex life isn't contingent on thRaceBannon said:
From a financial standpoint Aptos way out kicked me in marriage. I married for love. I have to work lolYellowSnow said:
Carpet laying pays mor than Aptos house husbanding.RaceBannon said:
I got a job as a beginning carpet layer simply because that was who gave me the job in the strip mall of small shops on Mottman road. Yes actually working is harder than shit on your body. Took two years for me to get sent to Seattle to run the shop up there and the rest is history. Less time than a degree and got paid while learning. It is the best way to learn an business inside out and my ability to understand the field and the office has always been my edgecreepycoug said:
The world has been wishing away lawyers since the beginning of tim.1to392831weretaken said:I think this whole take-it-to-the-Tug circle jerk ignores that most of these jobs don't need to happen remotely OR in person. The jobs will eventually go away full-stop. I'm telling my kids to skip college and become plumbers. Algorithms and robots aren't going to be fixing Jack Buttcrack's shoddy work from the 80s anytime soon.
And, here the Creep stands. I'm not worried, particularly given my tim horizon.
As for the kids, skipping college wasn't an option unless they wanted to go it alone. After college, they can do whatever in the fuck they want, including plumbing.
This I will say about a lot of the trades: be careful which one your choose, and try to become the boss asap, because your body will give out on you. The Russian (ok, Race, Ukranian) who has done all my tile installation hung up his knee pads in his 30s because of a bad back.
Guys start out pounding drywall and end up with their own construction company. America baby
Both the Throbber’s parents were WY natives.YellowSnow said:
I was a Utah fag so they let me intobiak1 said:The last thing Montana and Wyoming need is more fags like us and Kanye moving there. Don't be that Californian guy.
WY no problem.
Not the @Swaye kind of native.
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My family is from Wyoming on my mom's side. My grandma still lives there. It's part of why I'm not Cali Charmin soft. @Swaye would be fine.biak1 said:The last thing Montana and Wyoming need is more fags like us and Kanye moving there. Don't be that Californian guy.
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So, you’re finally getting sex again?Swaye said:None of this helps me as a male hooker.
