Remember when Australia was praised as the model for stopping the Rona?
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This is a good analogy. That first lawyer isn't the guy you invite to your Christmas party either. He's a grade A asshole but he's the asshole on your side.creepycoug said:
Yeah, and his no mask/mask routine was a colossal fuck up. The finer points about encouraging more face touching/fidgeting with the mask making people bolder was completely lost and he did nothing to amplify it. That's entirely on him.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Firing Fauci would have elated the base. What I'm talking about is further energizing the Trump-wants-everyone-to-die narrative.creepycoug said:
True, but if there's one thing Trump doesn't struggle with it's firing the fuck out of people and NGAF who thinks what about it. Fuck the first year of his administration was a revolving door. And his base wouldn't have cared about some life-long civil servant. Trump is good on the podium and could have sold it to his support rather easily.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Exactly. Fauci's vacillating bullshit is on Trump. Full stop. Problem was, Fauci got too much leash, and would have become a martyr, well more of a martyr, if he was flat out fired. Those are tricky things to manage, but something I'd want The Leader of the Free World to be capable of figuring out.creepycoug said:
This is basically my take and why I don't give Trump a lot of shit for anything Vid-related. I think it just happens anyway. Though I find it amusing that people want to go after the CDC and Fauci and the rest but not Trump, somehow forgetting who's in charge. If that had been Obama, we? wouldn't separate the executive branch so conveniently.GrundleStiltzkin said:Another take I've put out there a half dozen times that My Trump Guysm™ might like better, regarding Trump culpability for the Vid being a thing. If somehow Trump and Trump alone got a vision of the future in late December that the Vid was coming, the only possible (and even then unlikely) way to stop it showing up here would have been a hard national quarantine. No international air or ground admittance to foreigners. US nationals abroad could only return into a 14-day quarantine, etc. Even if we had done that, it probably still squirts through. No one would have gone for that Jan. 1, as demonstrated by the #resistance to the modest international travel restrictions that actually did go in place late January.
Therefore, in my mind, he's off the hook for that. Shit just happens sometimes, and that's really hard to accept for most of us.
But, again, doesn't matter. It is what it is.
I also don't think Fauci is some double agent, or incompetent. I think this was new, nobody has had a dress rehersal and it people fucked up. It happens.
This is why we do two full dry runs for board meetings before the board meetings. Only once in a great while will a director throw anyone for a loop. We are prepared for practically anything.
There's no indication Fauci's incompetent in his field. However, he started going farther and farther afield, into social custom, economics, --
Eh, I've blabbered enough about this.
As for energizing the Trump-is-a-killer crowd, sure; but I'm not sure how much more it could be energized than it already is. That's the thing about this President that is rather unique. He's a scorched earth litigator. The guy you hire when winning is the only thing that matters - bet the company stakes - and reconciling afterwards is not a concern at all. He's the difference between the lawyer you hire to divorce your wife after finding her fucking someone else and the guy you hire when you're trying to preserve property and make things amicable for the kids. Trump is the first guy; not the second guy.
Once you accept that, what people who don't like him think, or how they'll react, is of absolutely no consequence. -
He is also the ass to take on Washington and they are scared...
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Fair points, all.creepycoug said:
Yeah, and his no mask/mask routine was a colossal fuck up. The finer points about encouraging more face touching/fidgeting with the mask making people bolder was completely lost and he did nothing to amplify it. That's entirely on him.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Firing Fauci would have elated the base. What I'm talking about is further energizing the Trump-wants-everyone-to-die narrative.creepycoug said:
True, but if there's one thing Trump doesn't struggle with it's firing the fuck out of people and NGAF who thinks what about it. Fuck the first year of his administration was a revolving door. And his base wouldn't have cared about some life-long civil servant. Trump is good on the podium and could have sold it to his support rather easily.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Exactly. Fauci's vacillating bullshit is on Trump. Full stop. Problem was, Fauci got too much leash, and would have become a martyr, well more of a martyr, if he was flat out fired. Those are tricky things to manage, but something I'd want The Leader of the Free World to be capable of figuring out.creepycoug said:
This is basically my take and why I don't give Trump a lot of shit for anything Vid-related. I think it just happens anyway. Though I find it amusing that people want to go after the CDC and Fauci and the rest but not Trump, somehow forgetting who's in charge. If that had been Obama, we? wouldn't separate the executive branch so conveniently.GrundleStiltzkin said:Another take I've put out there a half dozen times that My Trump Guysm™ might like better, regarding Trump culpability for the Vid being a thing. If somehow Trump and Trump alone got a vision of the future in late December that the Vid was coming, the only possible (and even then unlikely) way to stop it showing up here would have been a hard national quarantine. No international air or ground admittance to foreigners. US nationals abroad could only return into a 14-day quarantine, etc. Even if we had done that, it probably still squirts through. No one would have gone for that Jan. 1, as demonstrated by the #resistance to the modest international travel restrictions that actually did go in place late January.
Therefore, in my mind, he's off the hook for that. Shit just happens sometimes, and that's really hard to accept for most of us.
But, again, doesn't matter. It is what it is.
I also don't think Fauci is some double agent, or incompetent. I think this was new, nobody has had a dress rehersal and it people fucked up. It happens.
This is why we do two full dry runs for board meetings before the board meetings. Only once in a great while will a director throw anyone for a loop. We are prepared for practically anything.
There's no indication Fauci's incompetent in his field. However, he started going farther and farther afield, into social custom, economics, --
Eh, I've blabbered enough about this.
As for energizing the Trump-is-a-killer crowd, sure; but I'm not sure how much more it could be energized than it already is. That's the thing about this President that is rather unique. He's a scorched earth litigator. The guy you hire when winning is the only thing that matters - bet the company stakes - and reconciling afterwards is not a concern at all. He's the difference between the lawyer you hire to divorce your wife after finding her fucking someone else and the guy you hire when you're trying to preserve property and make things amicable for the kids. Trump is the first guy; not the second guy.
Once you accept that, what people who don't like him think, or how they'll react, is of absolutely no consequence.GrundleStiltzkin said:Sensible mitigation - masks, distancing, washing hands, whatever
Protect vulnerable populations
Clear governmental communication - don't inject needless hysteria
Avoid punitive measures - invites resistance & partisan energy
Strengthen health care capacity
Develop pharmacological prophylaxis - but don't rely
Study history - Sadly, epidemics run a certain course that weº only have a certain degree of control overNoting the recent drop in the daily tally of COVID-19 cases, Tegnell observed on August 9, "Exactly why this happened at that time and why it was so quick and sudden, is difficult for us to understand." Tegnell acknowledges that the results of antibody blood tests do not find that enough Swedes have been infected and recovered to confer herd immunity as would be conventionally expected by epidemiologists.
So what could explain the "quick and sudden" drop in Sweden's COVID-19 case and death rates? This is very speculative, but Swedish public health authorities may have accidentally blundered into herd immunity through a combination of previously unsuspected extensive pre-existing T-cell immunity to the coronavirus and differential risks of infection due to social interaction variations among its people. -
Didn't read but saw Australian.
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Crikes!Swaye said:Didn't read but saw Australian.
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Oh good Lord that's spectacular. And those are real.Swaye said:Didn't read but saw Australian.
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It's amazing what a bunch of prisoners have left behind as descendants. Just ridiculously hot people.Swaye said:Didn't read but saw Australian.
https://youtu.be/CMwMHkxq0-4
