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After the first debate that Reagan lost, the media hyped up how Mondole had "momentum" was making it a race. Even in my little ideological cocoon in Eugene I knew the evil and "racist" Ronnie was going to win.RaceBannon said:
Couple weeks ago I was looking at 1984 polling. The best that Mondale did was a couple polls calling it even after the Dem convention. That was probably a stretch for a guy about to lose 49 statesSFGbob said:
No, Reagan's re-election in 1984 wasn't a surprise.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly. -
And in the second debate Reagan dropped the "I'm not going to make an issue out of the youth and inexperience of my opponent" line as a reply to him being old and out of it after the first debateSFGbob said:
After the first debate that Reagan lost, the media hyped up how Mondole had "momentum" was making it a race. Even in my little ideological cocoon in Eugene I knew the evil and "racist" Ronnie was going to win.RaceBannon said:
Couple weeks ago I was looking at 1984 polling. The best that Mondale did was a couple polls calling it even after the Dem convention. That was probably a stretch for a guy about to lose 49 statesSFGbob said:
No, Reagan's re-election in 1984 wasn't a surprise.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly. -
Yep, and the election was over from that point forward. Mondole's pledge to raise everyone's taxes at the Rat convention also didn't help.RaceBannon said:
And in the second debate Reagan dropped the "I'm not going to make an issue out of the youth and inexperience of my opponent" line as a reply to him being old and out of it after the first debateSFGbob said:
After the first debate that Reagan lost, the media hyped up how Mondole had "momentum" was making it a race. Even in my little ideological cocoon in Eugene I knew the evil and "racist" Ronnie was going to win.RaceBannon said:
Couple weeks ago I was looking at 1984 polling. The best that Mondale did was a couple polls calling it even after the Dem convention. That was probably a stretch for a guy about to lose 49 statesSFGbob said:
No, Reagan's re-election in 1984 wasn't a surprise.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly. -
I hear ya but I guess I still can't get on board with adadictomes etc. I still believe that science dictates whether you're a dude or a gal.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights. -
Wait, the New Green Deal involves nudity? Maybe I have to reconsider;-)WestlinnDuck said:What message? You pointed out that socially liberal had expanded. I agreed. I agree, Trump should be running hard against the nude green deal and open borders. That message has to go over the head of the MSM. Heard anything about immigration lately from the press or the dems. About saving the earth with magic unicorn farts? Dems are now just promoting more fear and panic on the chicom crud and trillions in free sh*t for their supporters. Starting to also get real quiet on defunding the police at the national dem level. Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Keep hammering at the white "independents" and try to pick off a few more percent of the black and hispanic vote.
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Ronnie Raygun's popularity was huge because of his radio show. A older guy I worked with was from the midwest and he explained to me about the radio show and how popular it was. Of course, in Western Washington no one would have known about it existed.
At that time I definitely would not have anything to do with talk radio
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Not to quibble but it really wasn't so much a radio show as it was a three minute daily radio commentary that expressed unabashed love of America, Freedom, anti-Communism, limited government and Conservatism.LebamDawg said:Ronnie Raygun's popularity was huge because of his radio show. A older guy I worked with was from the midwest and he explained to me about the radio show and how popular it was. Of course, in Western Washington no one would have known about it existed.
At that time I definitely would not have anything to do with talk radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udLyGm0XR8M
This was all obviously pre-internet and pre-cable news where the only news received by most people was the network nightly 22 min news broadcast. Reagan was vocalizing many of the thoughts and ideas that Americans believed in and felt but for which they rarely heard or watched on the network news. -
Its amazing to watch the shift as someone who has actually been a "leave everyone the fuck alone" centrist... Not a fake centrist.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights.
I was more liberal on social issues (gay marriage, weed, citizen spying, international war, censorship, patriot act) than Obama, but because of the crazy shift in the past few years I am now called a alt-right nazi Russian troll.
The left isn't liberal... Its authoritarian
Classical liberals that typically voted democrat and constitutional conservatives that typically voted republican are essentially the same group now.
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Lol fair enough. I wouldn't say that necessarily excludes you from being socially liberal. But using the Rush Limbaugh invented term of "adadictomies" probably does.RoadTrip said:
I hear ya but I guess I still can't get on board with adadictomes etc. I still believe that science dictates whether you're a dude or a gal.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights. -
It's definitely a good encapsulation of the horshoe theory. Today's far left has gone well past freedom from government intervention as it relates to civil rights, and all the way back to attempting to use government as a tool to right perceived historical wrongs and press their worldview on any cultural institution they can influence. Healthy dissent is no longer a virtue.Houhusky said:
Its amazing to watch the shift as someone who has actually been a "leave everyone the fuck alone" centrist... Not a fake centrist.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights.
I was more liberal on social issues (gay marriage, weed, citizen spying, international war, censorship, patriot act) than Obama, but because of the crazy shift in the past few years I am now called a alt-right nazi Russian troll.
The left isn't liberal... Its authoritarian
Classical liberals that typically voted democrat and constitutional conservatives that typically voted republican are essentially the same group now.
As someone who is in fact socially liberal, I'm still sympathetic to their intentions. But the approach of "agree with us or get steamrolled" isn't a cliff I'm willing to jump off with them. -
IDK... I think its been made pretty clear the intentions are collectivism not liberalism.GreenRiverGatorz said:
It's definitely a good encapsulation of the horshoe theory. Today's far left has gone well past freedom from government intervention as it relates to civil rights, and all the way back to attempting to use government as a tool to right perceived historical wrongs and press their worldview on any cultural institution they can influence. Healthy dissent is no longer a virtue.Houhusky said:
Its amazing to watch the shift as someone who has actually been a "leave everyone the fuck alone" centrist... Not a fake centrist.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights.
I was more liberal on social issues (gay marriage, weed, citizen spying, international war, censorship, patriot act) than Obama, but because of the crazy shift in the past few years I am now called a alt-right nazi Russian troll.
The left isn't liberal... Its authoritarian
Classical liberals that typically voted democrat and constitutional conservatives that typically voted republican are essentially the same group now.
As someone who is in fact socially liberal, I'm still sympathetic to their intentions. But the approach of "agree with us or get steamrolled" isn't a cliff I'm willing to jump off with them.
Thats not something I, or anyone who believes is social liberty/freedom, is sympathetic to. -
Props to Ronnie for banging Jane Wyman and then bagging hot young Nancy (note pearl necklace).
Ronnie was a noted cocksman.
He always remained a B-movie actor but Reagan, it is said, made it into the beds of a string of A-list actresses, including Lana Turner, Ava Gardner, Doris Day, Betty Grable and even Marilyn Monroe.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2943309/Rampant-Ronald-Reagan-Former-president-ladies-man-Hollywood-days-new-book-lays-save-affairs-stars-Doris-Day-Lana-Turner-Monroe.html -
Who didn't fuck Lana Turner and Ava Gardner? Broads must of had mattresses strapped to their backs.
It's certain Ava didn't lack for male attention:
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Just finished the Sinatra documentary on Netflix. Ava was like crack to Frank.SFGbob said:Who didn't fuck Lana Turner and Ava Gardner? Broads must of had mattresses strapped to their backs.
It's certain Ava didn't lack for male attention:
