The Left is Now the Right
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No - Reagan was more hope and change than just the words Obama mouthed. He actually touted American exceptionalism, love of country, baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet....which was refreshing after four years of Jimmy Carter being the world's bitch, mocked daily by the Ayatollah and the kidnappers.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly.
The country loved Reagan. They related to him. Nixon was almost the polar opposite in terms of popularity and appeal - but he was better than milquetoast McGovern at the time.
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So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on. -
I don't think you're getting Taibibibibibibibi on board with those kind of policies. But I honestly don't know. I think he's a Bernie supporter.RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on. -
Limited government, but with an emphasis on traditional family values (typically in the vision of the nuclear family of the 50s-60s).RoadTrip said:
So I guess I'd like to know what people think is conservative? I believe in freedoms of all kinds. I am very socially liberal on some issues but some would condemn me as a right winger for believing in God and advocating for small government and the privatization of most of it.DerekJohnson said:
He's not conservative, but he seems so when directly compared with today's far leftGrundleStiltzkin said:
Eh, I don't think he's any kind of conservative. More that he's fully aware of the bullshit ruining REAL liberalism.RoadTrip said:
Yeah he's an amazing writer who I sense is becoming more conservative over time. For most, it's a natural occurrence.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Probably.RoadTrip said:
Could it be he's just getting old?GrundleStiltzkin said:#MyTaibibibibibibi
In that book, he essentially describes getting sick of the shit, much of which he'd eagerly joined in on.
"Socially liberal" is all relative today, as the last ten years have brought a massive shift of that group's priorities into mainstream acceptance. Today's "social liberal" has moved well beyond weed and gay rights. -
No, Reagan's re-election in 1984 wasn't a surprise.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly. -
Socially liberal now includes unlimited abortion and a demand for more government programs to make education worse and encourage sloth. It now includes the obligation to bow before the green gaia religionists. Oh, and open borders.
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I like the unintended irony here, which is pretty on-brand for you. In a thread about how liberals have such a deep misunderstanding about the forgotten base that Trump now carries, you gleefully cheer that message on while subscribing to the exact same rhetoric of those who you oppose. Newton's third law was always more relevant to politics than physics.WestlinnDuck said:Socially liberal now includes unlimited abortion and a demand for more government programs to make education worse and encourage sloth. It now includes the obligation to bow before the green gaia religionists. Oh, and open borders.
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What message? You pointed out that socially liberal had expanded. I agreed. I agree, Trump should be running hard against the nude green deal and open borders. That message has to go over the head of the MSM. Heard anything about immigration lately from the press or the dems. About saving the earth with magic unicorn farts? Dems are now just promoting more fear and panic on the chicom crud and trillions in free sh*t for their supporters. Starting to also get real quiet on defunding the police at the national dem level. Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Keep hammering at the white "independents" and try to pick off a few more percent of the black and hispanic vote.
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I like Raygun so much I just ordered a mask with his picture and the caption "I smell hippies".
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Couple weeks ago I was looking at 1984 polling. The best that Mondale did was a couple polls calling it even after the Dem convention. That was probably a stretch for a guy about to lose 49 statesSFGbob said:
No, Reagan's re-election in 1984 wasn't a surprise.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is sounding familiar... Reagan in 84 was also similar no?RaceBannon said:Everyone I knew hated Nixon, adult and peers. I was 16. I will never forget 5PM PST when Walter Cronkite came on and called it for Nixon. They could do that back then. I was shocked. I suspected Russian interference. Macedonian troll farms. Stunned and amazed. Dick ended up with 48 states.
It was ok to run McGovern because the election was about Nixon and nothing else. Invasion of Cambodia, Kent State, riots on campus. The country hated him I tell you they hated him
His law and order campaign was completely out of touch with where America was in 1972. Allegedly.
