Chauvin
Chauvin should get the death penalty but I would rather see him rot in jail for life. That is horrific. No way he gets off. The other cops should also go to jail. 30 years.
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Doesn’t matter what the cops did. Floyd was on drugs.jecornel said:Leaked video from the Daily today.
Chauvin should get the death penalty but I would rather see him rot in jail for life. That is horrific. No way he gets off. The other cops should also go to jail. 30 years. -
Did his charges get upped to 1st degree? If not there will be no death penalty or life.
The others won't get, nor deserve 30 years. -
Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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It puts the lie to the BLM mantra that police officers are actively hunting and killing innocent blacks on a regular if not continuous basis. Basically, their position is that if you resist arrest, they should just let you go.
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BLM was founded on lies. So I'd expect them to continue to lie.WestlinnDuck said:It puts the lie to the BLM mantra that police officers are actively hunting and killing innocent blacks on a regular if not continuous basis. Basically, their position is that if you resist arrest, they should just let you go.
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The lie is so basic. Our MSM refuses to ask for any evidence that innocent blacks are being hunted by the police. Just part of that honest conversation that leftards are always pretending to want.
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I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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10 million arrests a year. 1,000 a year die from police. 80-90% killed were armed.
Coleman Hughes dialed in
https://youtu.be/1C2HrbQTzwk
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Must be part of that white privilege. I taught my kids not to steal sh*t and don't resist arrest. Apparently, that's not appropriate for blacks.
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Floyd is not with any blame for his own death. Just like the guy who was shot and killed in Atlanta that fell asleep in the drive up. Chauvin should be convicted and sent to jail for a very long time for his actions but George would have spared us all a lot of grief if he would have just complied with the police commands.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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I've had this conversation with all 3 of my boys numerous times. If you find yourself being arrested don't argue, don't mouth off and don't resist. If the arrest was unlawful we'll deal with that later.WestlinnDuck said:Must be part of that white privilege. I taught my kids not to steal sh*t and don't resist arrest. Apparently, that's not appropriate for blacks.
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George Kirby was trying to steal from someone else by trying to pass a fake $20. He was on his way to astronaut training, however, so it Saul Good.SFGbob said:
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death. Just like the guy who was shot and killed in Atlanta that fell asleep in the drive up. Chauvin should be convicted and sent to jail for a very long time for his actions but George would have spared us all a lot of grief if he would have just complied with the police commands.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.SFGbob said:
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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Here's what I'll say, and people need to hear it: THAT IS NOT MURDER.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
I'm sorry guys, I know it's the hot take, but Murder requires Intent and there ain't no way to make the case that Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. Even if you try the case for recklessness, it's an uphill battle. Floyd was complaining about claustrophobia and not being able to breathe, and ANOTHER KEY POINT, an ambulance had been called and was on the way. Those facts contradict any and all motives to cause Floyd's death.
And here's the BIG, BIG RUB that's probably going to lead to riots like we've never seen before: Chauvin's behavior was sanctioned and taught by his employer as a safe and legal restraint. Unless somebody produces written material that makes exceptions or advises Chauvin that death or serious injury can result from his knee being on Floyd's neck that long, he very well might walk.
Brett Weinstein had a long discussion about this on his Dark Horse podcast with John McWhorter, who also thought it was murder, and McWhorter is a damn'd smart guy. But after Weinstein brought up the point, McWhorter's position softened quite a bit.
We like to scream "Murder" a lot. But it's a high threshold to prove someone commits murder.
If Minneapolis was smart, they'd pay a fuck-ton of money to Floyd's family, Chauvin would enter a plea and do some time for Negligent homicide or even manslaughter with a reduced sentence, but you don't have the facts for murder, even with that Guardian footage.
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Correctamundo. Doing exactly as trained for a person experiencing "excited delirium".TurdBomber said:
Here's what I'll say, and people need to hear it: THAT IS NOT MURDER.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
I'm sorry guys, I know it's the hot take, but Murder requires Intent and there ain't no way to make the case that Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. Even if you try the case for recklessness, it's an uphill battle. Floyd was complaining about claustrophobia and not being able to breathe, and ANOTHER KEY POINT, an ambulance had been called and was on the way. Those facts contradict any and all motives to cause Floyd's death.
And here's the BIG, BIG RUB that's probably going to lead to riots like we've never seen before: Chauvin's behavior was sanctioned and taught by his employer as a safe and legal restraint. Unless somebody produces written material that makes exceptions or advises Chauvin that death or serious injury can result from his knee being on Floyd's neck that long, he very well might walk.
Brett Weinstein had a long discussion about this on his Dark Horse podcast with John McWhorter, who also thought it was murder, and McWhorter is a damn'd smart guy. But after Weinstein brought up the point, McWhorter's position softened quite a bit.
We like to scream "Murder" a lot. But it's a high threshold to prove someone commits murder.
If Minneapolis was smart, they'd pay a fuck-ton of money to Floyd's family, Chauvin would enter a plea and do some time for Negligent homicide or even manslaughter with a reduced sentence, but you don't have the facts for murder, even with that Guardian footage.
Okay, bring on the hate.
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You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.
One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force. -
Gets a little crazy. Changing the rules after the fact is fun stuff.TurdBomber said:You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.
One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.
Fortunately I had some good years before everything went bat shit crazy. Loved the job. Looked forward to going to work. Pissed my wife off as she hated her job.
Being in management sucked. Liberal idiots constantly calling wanting personalized service. Crossing guards just for their 3 kids. Telling police They need to drive plug in electric cars. Loads of intelligent thought.
Police work is the only job that everyone knows how to do your job better than you.
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Looking forward to, well not really, the prison rape I’m going to take when 1/2 these boards wake up tomorrow morning and read my post above.
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TurdBomber said:
Looking forward to, well not really, the prison rape I’m going to take when 1/2 these boards wake up tomorrow morning and read my post above.
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Football coaches say 'hold my beer'.Sledog said:
Gets a little crazy. Changing the rules after the fact is fun stuff.TurdBomber said:You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.
One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.
Fortunately I had some good years before everything went bat shit crazy. Loved the job. Looked forward to going to work. Pissed my wife off as she hated her job.
Being in management sucked. Liberal idiots constantly calling wanting personalized service. Crossing guards just for their 3 kids. Telling police They need to drive plug in electric cars. Loads of intelligent thought.
Police work is the only job that everyone knows how to do your job better than you.
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And it looked like he was resisting before he was lying there face down. If he would have just gotten into the back of the vehicle would he have ended up face down on the pavement?BennyBeaver said:
He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.SFGbob said:
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/body-cam-footage-of-floyds-arrest-leaked.php
Someone leaked police body cam footage of George Floyd’s arrest to the Daily Mail. There are two videos, embedded below. Make of them what you will.
To me, what is most striking is how crazy Floyd was from the beginning. The officers tried to get him out of the vehicle in which he was parked and into their squad car so they could take him to a police station and book him for passing a counterfeit bill. This proved impossible. Floyd, in a highly emotional state, was yelling, “Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me!” when there was no prospect of his being shot.
Floyd wouldn’t get into the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic. The officers struggled with him for around ten minutes, but were never able to get him securely inside the squad car. At one point he tumbled out the opposite door of the squad car, onto the street. The officers, believing correctly that Floyd was high on drugs, called for an ambulance.
Floyd complained of being unable to breathe long before anyone knelt on his neck. (Shortness of breath is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) He apparently preferred being on the ground to being inside the squad car. One of his companions, his “ex” according to the Daily Mail, made a finger-twirling-next-to-the-temple gesture to explain his mental state.
A more likely explanation is drugs. The toxicology report that was part of his autopsy found that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, along with other drugs and metabolites. Published literature (based on a modest Google search) finds lethal overdoses of fentanyl down to 5 ng/mL, less than half the concentration in Floyd’s blood. If I am misreading the literature, I am happy to be corrected.
Pretty much everyone who watches the famous video thinks he sees Floyd dying on account of a police officer kneeling on his neck. But Floyd’s autopsy found no evidence of physical trauma in the neck area, and documented no other signs of death by asphyxiation. It may be that what we are actually seeing in the video is one of tens of thousands of deaths due to opioid overdose. Or it may be that Floyd died later, on the way to a hospital. -
He died because of 400 years of racism in America.WestlinnDuck said:https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/body-cam-footage-of-floyds-arrest-leaked.php
Someone leaked police body cam footage of George Floyd’s arrest to the Daily Mail. There are two videos, embedded below. Make of them what you will.
To me, what is most striking is how crazy Floyd was from the beginning. The officers tried to get him out of the vehicle in which he was parked and into their squad car so they could take him to a police station and book him for passing a counterfeit bill. This proved impossible. Floyd, in a highly emotional state, was yelling, “Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me!” when there was no prospect of his being shot.
Floyd wouldn’t get into the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic. The officers struggled with him for around ten minutes, but were never able to get him securely inside the squad car. At one point he tumbled out the opposite door of the squad car, onto the street. The officers, believing correctly that Floyd was high on drugs, called for an ambulance.
Floyd complained of being unable to breathe long before anyone knelt on his neck. (Shortness of breath is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) He apparently preferred being on the ground to being inside the squad car. One of his companions, his “ex” according to the Daily Mail, made a finger-twirling-next-to-the-temple gesture to explain his mental state.
A more likely explanation is drugs. The toxicology report that was part of his autopsy found that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, along with other drugs and metabolites. Published literature (based on a modest Google search) finds lethal overdoses of fentanyl down to 5 ng/mL, less than half the concentration in Floyd’s blood. If I am misreading the literature, I am happy to be corrected.
Pretty much everyone who watches the famous video thinks he sees Floyd dying on account of a police officer kneeling on his neck. But Floyd’s autopsy found no evidence of physical trauma in the neck area, and documented no other signs of death by asphyxiation. It may be that what we are actually seeing in the video is one of tens of thousands of deaths due to opioid overdose. Or it may be that Floyd died later, on the way to a hospital. -
He was claustrophobic and that shit's real when people are suffering from it. George was clearly fucked up that day, mentally or otherwise, but the cops just didn't have the tools on hand to deal with his situation that day, and it led to a tragedy. Suspects pull shit all the time to trick cops so they can get away, so it's not unreasonable for Chauvin to want to keep him restrained to calm the whole situation. Problem was George was telling the truth that he couldn't breathe, Chauvin didn't want to let him up, fearing he'd cause more harm or trouble, and the ambulance didn't get there fast enough.SFGbob said:
And it looked like he was resisting before he was lying there face down. If he would have just gotten into the back of the vehicle would he have ended up face down on the pavement?BennyBeaver said:
He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.SFGbob said:
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.MelloDawg said:
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.SFGbob said:
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.Goduckies said:Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
It really is a sad, tragic situation where everything that could go wrong, did. And that shit happens.
Hold people accountable for their mistakes, but this is a tougher case to sort out than it first appeared, and screaming "murder" all the time is not going to help prevent these things from happening in the future, because it shields everything else in the system from scrutiny to just blame it all on Chauvin. The problem and the mistakes go a lot higher than Chauvin. -
I saw the Mail's clip yesterday. We're still missing a lot of footage.
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This entire George Floyd narrative is based upon lies. He wasn't killed because he was black and racism had nothing to do with his death.
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Robin DeAngelo and Ibram Kendi would like a word.SFGbob said:This entire George Floyd narrative is based upon lies. He wasn't killed because he was black and racism had nothing to do with his death.
