Chauvin

jecornel

Leaked video from the Daily today.

Chauvin should get the death penalty but I would rather see him rot in jail for life. That is horrific. No way he gets off. The other cops should also go to jail. 30 years.

GrundleStiltzkin

jecornel

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/Police-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-moment-arrest-George-Floyd-time.html

BennyBeaver

jecornel said:

Leaked video from the Daily today.

Chauvin should get the death penalty but I would rather see him rot in jail for life. That is horrific. No way he gets off. The other cops should also go to jail. 30 years.

Doesn’t matter what the cops did. Floyd was on drugs.

MikeDamone

Did his charges get upped to 1st degree? If not there will be no death penalty or life.

The others won't get, nor deserve 30 years.

Goduckies

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

SFGbob

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

WestlinnDuck

It puts the lie to the BLM mantra that police officers are actively hunting and killing innocent blacks on a regular if not continuous basis. Basically, their position is that if you resist arrest, they should just let you go.

MikeDamone

WestlinnDuck said:

It puts the lie to the BLM mantra that police officers are actively hunting and killing innocent blacks on a regular if not continuous basis. Basically, their position is that if you resist arrest, they should just let you go.

BLM was founded on lies. So I'd expect them to continue to lie.

WestlinnDuck

The lie is so basic. Our MSM refuses to ask for any evidence that innocent blacks are being hunted by the police. Just part of that honest conversation that leftards are always pretending to want.

MelloDawg

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

jecornel

10 million arrests a year. 1,000 a year die from police. 80-90% killed were armed.

Coleman Hughes dialed in https://youtu.be/1C2HrbQTzwk

WestlinnDuck

Must be part of that white privilege. I taught my kids not to steal sh*t and don't resist arrest. Apparently, that's not appropriate for blacks.

SFGbob

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Floyd is not with any blame for his own death. Just like the guy who was shot and killed in Atlanta that fell asleep in the drive up. Chauvin should be convicted and sent to jail for a very long time for his actions but George would have spared us all a lot of grief if he would have just complied with the police commands.

SFGbob

WestlinnDuck said:

Must be part of that white privilege. I taught my kids not to steal sh*t and don't resist arrest. Apparently, that's not appropriate for blacks.

I've had this conversation with all 3 of my boys numerous times. If you find yourself being arrested don't argue, don't mouth off and don't resist. If the arrest was unlawful we'll deal with that later.

Many people now feel like they have the right to talk shit, and wrestle with the cops while being arrested.

NorthwestFresh

SFGbob said:

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Floyd is not with any blame for his own death. Just like the guy who was shot and killed in Atlanta that fell asleep in the drive up. Chauvin should be convicted and sent to jail for a very long time for his actions but George would have spared us all a lot of grief if he would have just complied with the police commands.

George Kirby was trying to steal from someone else by trying to pass a fake $20. He was on his way to astronaut training, however, so it Saul Good.

BennyBeaver

SFGbob said:

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.

He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.

TurdBomber

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Here's what I'll say, and people need to hear it: THAT IS NOT MURDER.

I'm sorry guys, I know it's the hot take, but Murder requires Intent and there ain't no way to make the case that Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. Even if you try the case for recklessness, it's an uphill battle. Floyd was complaining about claustrophobia and not being able to breathe, and ANOTHER KEY POINT, an ambulance had been called and was on the way. Those facts contradict any and all motives to cause Floyd's death.

And here's the BIG, BIG RUB that's probably going to lead to riots like we've never seen before: Chauvin's behavior was sanctioned and taught by his employer as a safe and legal restraint. Unless somebody produces written material that makes exceptions or advises Chauvin that death or serious injury can result from his knee being on Floyd's neck that long, he very well might walk.

Brett Weinstein had a long discussion about this on his Dark Horse podcast with John McWhorter, who also thought it was murder, and McWhorter is a damn'd smart guy. But after Weinstein brought up the point, McWhorter's position softened quite a bit.

We like to scream "Murder" a lot. But it's a high threshold to prove someone commits murder.

If Minneapolis was smart, they'd pay a fuck-ton of money to Floyd's family, Chauvin would enter a plea and do some time for Negligent homicide or even manslaughter with a reduced sentence, but you don't have the facts for murder, even with that Guardian footage.

Okay, bring on the hate.

Sledog

TurdBomber said:

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Here's what I'll say, and people need to hear it: THAT IS NOT MURDER.

I'm sorry guys, I know it's the hot take, but Murder requires Intent and there ain't no way to make the case that Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. Even if you try the case for recklessness, it's an uphill battle. Floyd was complaining about claustrophobia and not being able to breathe, and ANOTHER KEY POINT, an ambulance had been called and was on the way. Those facts contradict any and all motives to cause Floyd's death.

And here's the BIG, BIG RUB that's probably going to lead to riots like we've never seen before: Chauvin's behavior was sanctioned and taught by his employer as a safe and legal restraint. Unless somebody produces written material that makes exceptions or advises Chauvin that death or serious injury can result from his knee being on Floyd's neck that long, he very well might walk.

Brett Weinstein had a long discussion about this on his Dark Horse podcast with John McWhorter, who also thought it was murder, and McWhorter is a damn'd smart guy. But after Weinstein brought up the point, McWhorter's position softened quite a bit.

We like to scream "Murder" a lot. But it's a high threshold to prove someone commits murder.

If Minneapolis was smart, they'd pay a fuck-ton of money to Floyd's family, Chauvin would enter a plea and do some time for Negligent homicide or even manslaughter with a reduced sentence, but you don't have the facts for murder, even with that Guardian footage.

Okay, bring on the hate.

Correctamundo. Doing exactly as trained for a person experiencing "excited delirium".

People have no clue. The press won't report it and the riots ensuing after a verdict will be ugly.

TurdBomber

You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.

One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.

Sledog

TurdBomber said:

You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.

One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.

Gets a little crazy. Changing the rules after the fact is fun stuff.

Fortunately I had some good years before everything went bat shit crazy. Loved the job. Looked forward to going to work. Pissed my wife off as she hated her job.

Being in management sucked. Liberal idiots constantly calling wanting personalized service. Crossing guards just for their 3 kids. Telling police They need to drive plug in electric cars. Loads of intelligent thought.

Police work is the only job that everyone knows how to do your job better than you.