You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.
One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.
Gets a little crazy. Changing the rules after the fact is fun stuff.
Fortunately I had some good years before everything went bat shit crazy. Loved the job. Looked forward to going to work. Pissed my wife off as she hated her job.
Being in management sucked. Liberal idiots constantly calling wanting personalized service. Crossing guards just for their 3 kids. Telling police They need to drive plug in electric cars. Loads of intelligent thought.
Police work is the only job that everyone knows how to do your job better than you.
Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.
He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.
And it looked like he was resisting before he was lying there face down. If he would have just gotten into the back of the vehicle would he have ended up face down on the pavement?
Someone leaked police body cam footage of George Floyd’s arrest to the Daily Mail. There are two videos, embedded below. Make of them what you will.
To me, what is most striking is how crazy Floyd was from the beginning. The officers tried to get him out of the vehicle in which he was parked and into their squad car so they could take him to a police station and book him for passing a counterfeit bill. This proved impossible. Floyd, in a highly emotional state, was yelling, “Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me!” when there was no prospect of his being shot.
Floyd wouldn’t get into the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic. The officers struggled with him for around ten minutes, but were never able to get him securely inside the squad car. At one point he tumbled out the opposite door of the squad car, onto the street. The officers, believing correctly that Floyd was high on drugs, called for an ambulance.
Floyd complained of being unable to breathe long before anyone knelt on his neck. (Shortness of breath is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) He apparently preferred being on the ground to being inside the squad car. One of his companions, his “ex” according to the Daily Mail, made a finger-twirling-next-to-the-temple gesture to explain his mental state.
A more likely explanation is drugs. The toxicology report that was part of his autopsy found that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, along with other drugs and metabolites. Published literature (based on a modest Google search) finds lethal overdoses of fentanyl down to 5 ng/mL, less than half the concentration in Floyd’s blood. If I am misreading the literature, I am happy to be corrected.
Pretty much everyone who watches the famous video thinks he sees Floyd dying on account of a police officer kneeling on his neck. But Floyd’s autopsy found no evidence of physical trauma in the neck area, and documented no other signs of death by asphyxiation. It may be that what we are actually seeing in the video is one of tens of thousands of deaths due to opioid overdose. Or it may be that Floyd died later, on the way to a hospital.
Someone leaked police body cam footage of George Floyd’s arrest to the Daily Mail. There are two videos, embedded below. Make of them what you will.
To me, what is most striking is how crazy Floyd was from the beginning. The officers tried to get him out of the vehicle in which he was parked and into their squad car so they could take him to a police station and book him for passing a counterfeit bill. This proved impossible. Floyd, in a highly emotional state, was yelling, “Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me!” when there was no prospect of his being shot.
Floyd wouldn’t get into the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic. The officers struggled with him for around ten minutes, but were never able to get him securely inside the squad car. At one point he tumbled out the opposite door of the squad car, onto the street. The officers, believing correctly that Floyd was high on drugs, called for an ambulance.
Floyd complained of being unable to breathe long before anyone knelt on his neck. (Shortness of breath is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) He apparently preferred being on the ground to being inside the squad car. One of his companions, his “ex” according to the Daily Mail, made a finger-twirling-next-to-the-temple gesture to explain his mental state.
A more likely explanation is drugs. The toxicology report that was part of his autopsy found that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, along with other drugs and metabolites. Published literature (based on a modest Google search) finds lethal overdoses of fentanyl down to 5 ng/mL, less than half the concentration in Floyd’s blood. If I am misreading the literature, I am happy to be corrected.
Pretty much everyone who watches the famous video thinks he sees Floyd dying on account of a police officer kneeling on his neck. But Floyd’s autopsy found no evidence of physical trauma in the neck area, and documented no other signs of death by asphyxiation. It may be that what we are actually seeing in the video is one of tens of thousands of deaths due to opioid overdose. Or it may be that Floyd died later, on the way to a hospital.
He died because of 400 years of racism in America.
Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.
He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.
And it looked like he was resisting before he was lying there face down. If he would have just gotten into the back of the vehicle would he have ended up face down on the pavement?
He was claustrophobic and that shit's real when people are suffering from it. George was clearly fucked up that day, mentally or otherwise, but the cops just didn't have the tools on hand to deal with his situation that day, and it led to a tragedy. Suspects pull shit all the time to trick cops so they can get away, so it's not unreasonable for Chauvin to want to keep him restrained to calm the whole situation. Problem was George was telling the truth that he couldn't breathe, Chauvin didn't want to let him up, fearing he'd cause more harm or trouble, and the ambulance didn't get there fast enough.
It really is a sad, tragic situation where everything that could go wrong, did. And that shit happens.
Hold people accountable for their mistakes, but this is a tougher case to sort out than it first appeared, and screaming "murder" all the time is not going to help prevent these things from happening in the future, because it shields everything else in the system from scrutiny to just blame it all on Chauvin. The problem and the mistakes go a lot higher than Chauvin.
You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.
One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.
Gets a little crazy. Changing the rules after the fact is fun stuff.
Fortunately I had some good years before everything went bat shit crazy. Loved the job. Looked forward to going to work. Pissed my wife off as she hated her job.
Being in management sucked. Liberal idiots constantly calling wanting personalized service. Crossing guards just for their 3 kids. Telling police They need to drive plug in electric cars. Loads of intelligent thought.
Police work is the only job that everyone knows how to do your job better than you.
Football coaches say 'hold my beer'.
OK maybe coaches have it as bad. But they don't get sent to jail for calling a bad play.
Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.
Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.
I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.
Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.
He looked pretty compliant lying there face down.
And it looked like he was resisting before he was lying there face down. If he would have just gotten into the back of the vehicle would he have ended up face down on the pavement?
He was claustrophobic and that shit's real when people are suffering from it. George was clearly fucked up that day, mentally or otherwise, but the cops just didn't have the tools on hand to deal with his situation that day, and it led to a tragedy. Suspects pull shit all the time to trick cops so they can get away, so it's not unreasonable for Chauvin to want to keep him restrained to calm the whole situation. Problem was George was telling the truth that he couldn't breathe, Chauvin didn't want to let him up, fearing he'd cause more harm or trouble, and the ambulance didn't get there fast enough.
It really is a sad, tragic situation where everything that could go wrong, did. And that shit happens.
Hold people accountable for their mistakes, but this is a tougher case to sort out than it first appeared, and screaming "murder" all the time is not going to help prevent these things from happening in the future, because it shields everything else in the system from scrutiny to just blame it all on Chauvin. The problem and the mistakes go a lot higher than Chauvin.
Floyd wasn't claustrophobic. He was just removed from a car and was doing just fine. He was an experienced criminal and was playing games he learned from his many arrests and jail stints.
If he couldn't breathe it was the fentanyl. His blood contained 11 micrograms of it power liter and people have died from as little as 3 micrograms per liter.
I think he had some on him when stopped and are it to prevent the police from finding it. Very common. It killed him.
Looking forward to, well not really, the prison rape I’m going to take when 1/2 these boards wake up tomorrow morning and read my post above.
NOC. The original portrayal of events is burned into the memories of most people and nothing will change their mind.
That is what the media intended from the outset. Further the narrative. It’s the new normal in the MSM. Crucify the officers publicly by selectively releasing information that crucifies the officers.
It was pretty obvious something was smelly when the body camera tape was not made available.
It took over two months to see the footage and it was leaked? WTF?
Looking forward to, well not really, the prison rape I’m going to take when 1/2 these boards wake up tomorrow morning and read my post above.
NOC. The original portrayal of events is burned into the memories of most people and nothing will change their mind.
That is what the media intended from the outset. Further the narrative. It’s the new normal in the MSM. Crucify the officers publicly by selectively releasing information that crucifies the officers.
It was pretty obvious something was smelly when the body camera tape was not made available.
It took over two months to see the footage and it was leaked? WTF?
The public craves that shit, and that's a big reason why the media plays the game and profits handsomely along the way.
We've got a lot of otherwise very smart folks on these boreds who jump to the conclusion of "Murder, Murder, Murder, Murder.." at the drop of a hat.
People are free to believe and conclude what they think, but all that video shows to me is that Chauvin had ZERO intent whatsoever to kill Floyd, and any Murder charges just went bye, bye.
There's a real seedy underbelly to all of this, where hordes of people are trying to cash-in on a tragedy like this for personal gain. It's created an entire new generation of activists, whom you can bet will be on the city's payroll someday in some useless bureaucratic position where they can dole out contracts and jobs to their friends and family. Hell, one famous "community organizer" became President.
In Seattle, the same four or five people are doing all the talking at every protest and march. And you can bet we're stuck with them for eternity, because they are busy exploiting this tragedy to make a name for themselves, telling lies and spewing bullshit along the way like "They pointed a gun right at my face." None of these marches and protests have anything to do with police brutality or George Floyd anymore. They are all about lining the pockets of people and groups who make their living off money they receive from the Seattle Human Services Department, paid for by the taxpayers. It's disgusting.
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Someone leaked police body cam footage of George Floyd’s arrest to the Daily Mail. There are two videos, embedded below. Make of them what you will.
To me, what is most striking is how crazy Floyd was from the beginning. The officers tried to get him out of the vehicle in which he was parked and into their squad car so they could take him to a police station and book him for passing a counterfeit bill. This proved impossible. Floyd, in a highly emotional state, was yelling, “Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me!” when there was no prospect of his being shot.
Floyd wouldn’t get into the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic. The officers struggled with him for around ten minutes, but were never able to get him securely inside the squad car. At one point he tumbled out the opposite door of the squad car, onto the street. The officers, believing correctly that Floyd was high on drugs, called for an ambulance.
Floyd complained of being unable to breathe long before anyone knelt on his neck. (Shortness of breath is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) He apparently preferred being on the ground to being inside the squad car. One of his companions, his “ex” according to the Daily Mail, made a finger-twirling-next-to-the-temple gesture to explain his mental state.
A more likely explanation is drugs. The toxicology report that was part of his autopsy found that Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his blood, along with other drugs and metabolites. Published literature (based on a modest Google search) finds lethal overdoses of fentanyl down to 5 ng/mL, less than half the concentration in Floyd’s blood. If I am misreading the literature, I am happy to be corrected.
Pretty much everyone who watches the famous video thinks he sees Floyd dying on account of a police officer kneeling on his neck. But Floyd’s autopsy found no evidence of physical trauma in the neck area, and documented no other signs of death by asphyxiation. It may be that what we are actually seeing in the video is one of tens of thousands of deaths due to opioid overdose. Or it may be that Floyd died later, on the way to a hospital.
It really is a sad, tragic situation where everything that could go wrong, did. And that shit happens.
Hold people accountable for their mistakes, but this is a tougher case to sort out than it first appeared, and screaming "murder" all the time is not going to help prevent these things from happening in the future, because it shields everything else in the system from scrutiny to just blame it all on Chauvin. The problem and the mistakes go a lot higher than Chauvin.
So much for depraved indifference.
If he couldn't breathe it was the fentanyl. His blood contained 11 micrograms of it power liter and people have died from as little as 3 micrograms per liter.
I think he had some on him when stopped and are it to prevent the police from finding it. Very common. It killed him.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
That is what the media intended from the outset. Further the narrative. It’s the new normal in the MSM. Crucify the officers publicly by selectively releasing information that crucifies the officers.
It was pretty obvious something was smelly when the body camera tape was not made available.
It took over two months to see the footage and it was leaked? WTF?
We've got a lot of otherwise very smart folks on these boreds who jump to the conclusion of "Murder, Murder, Murder, Murder.." at the drop of a hat.
People are free to believe and conclude what they think, but all that video shows to me is that Chauvin had ZERO intent whatsoever to kill Floyd, and any Murder charges just went bye, bye.
There's a real seedy underbelly to all of this, where hordes of people are trying to cash-in on a tragedy like this for personal gain. It's created an entire new generation of activists, whom you can bet will be on the city's payroll someday in some useless bureaucratic position where they can dole out contracts and jobs to their friends and family. Hell, one famous "community organizer" became President.
In Seattle, the same four or five people are doing all the talking at every protest and march. And you can bet we're stuck with them for eternity, because they are busy exploiting this tragedy to make a name for themselves, telling lies and spewing bullshit along the way like "They pointed a gun right at my face." None of these marches and protests have anything to do with police brutality or George Floyd anymore. They are all about lining the pockets of people and groups who make their living off money they receive from the Seattle Human Services Department, paid for by the taxpayers. It's disgusting.