Chauvin

WestlinnDuck said:

Must be part of that white privilege. I taught my kids not to steal sh*t and don't resist arrest. Apparently, that's not appropriate for blacks.

SFGbob said:

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Floyd is not with any blame for his own death, but if he would have just complied with the police commands.

TurdBomber said:

MelloDawg said:

SFGbob said:

Goduckies said:

Seams he woild still be alive if he didn't resist the whole time. But once Chauvin got on him, staying there that long was bs, especially handcuffed.

Amazing how many of these bad outcomes happen when people resist arrest. Doesn't excuse Chauvin's actions but just like with Rodney King, the other people who were in the car that complied with the police commands were unharmed.

I get what you're saying and I would agree that resisting a lawful arrest is generally ill-advised, but I think putting the asterisk next to the situation by saying it's indirectly Floyd's own fault because he put himself in that scenario by resisting is rhetoric which can fuel protests. You're not saying that, of course, but people misconstrue things.

Here's what I'll say, and people need to hear it: THAT IS NOT MURDER.

I'm sorry guys, I know it's the hot take, but Murder requires Intent and there ain't no way to make the case that Chauvin meant to kill Floyd. Even if you try the case for recklessness, it's an uphill battle. Floyd was complaining about claustrophobia and not being able to breathe, and ANOTHER KEY POINT, an ambulance had been called and was on the way. Those facts contradict any and all motives to cause Floyd's death.

And here's the BIG, BIG RUB that's probably going to lead to riots like we've never seen before: Chauvin's behavior was sanctioned and taught by his employer as a safe and legal restraint. Unless somebody produces written material that makes exceptions or advises Chauvin that death or serious injury can result from his knee being on Floyd's neck that long, he very well might walk.

Brett Weinstein had a long discussion about this on his Dark Horse podcast with John McWhorter, who also thought it was murder, and McWhorter is a damn'd smart guy. But after Weinstein brought up the point, McWhorter's position softened quite a bit.

We like to scream "Murder" a lot. But it's a high threshold to prove someone commits murder.

If Minneapolis was smart, they'd pay a fuck-ton of money to Floyd's family, Chauvin would enter a plea and do some time for Negligent homicide or even manslaughter with a reduced sentence, but you don't have the facts for murder, even with that Guardian footage.

Okay, bring on the hate.

TurdBomber said:

You take a lot of shit around here, @Sleddy, but I'm pretty sure few here would want the job you retired from. It's no wonder a lot of cops go batshit crazy with the constant moving goalposts.

One of the first guy's I met in college was a cop getting a Poly Sci degree, so he could get the fuck off the force. He said "3 more years of this shit and I'll be in the Nuthouse." That's what happens to a lot of true-believer types, like he was when he joined the force.