UCLA

UCLA should be the favorite to win the South, but those are pretty important guys to lose for a top 10 team. I think Hundley is good, and will be better this year. The young OL and young secondary should both be better (their weakness last year), and Jack is obviously a beast. Mora's teams will always play hard and be tough. Mora has recruited very well, but many of their best players are still young. If we get good QB play and the secondary isn't a complete dreckfest, we could be better than them. I may be riding a doog wave down here in LA, but I actually have more faith in Petersen than I would in Mora. It's tough to say that with too much conviction though because I think both are quality coaches. I have seen posters call the UCLA game a likely loss, but I think we win that game at home. That could change after watching the first 5 games, but I think we are as good as them.
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You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.
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Just because they were so young. I think they will be good. I'm not sure if I'm buying top 10 good. The OL will need to take a big step and those are important guys to lose off the front 7, compared to UW where the only guy lost is Fuimaono who was a middling player.dnc said:You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.
They definitely have the edge at QB at this point, which is obviously huge, but I think we stack up well with them after that. We should have the superior OL and DL. -
RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though. -
I would be surprised if they didn't win the South. ASU lost almost their whole defense. USC has Sark and a shitty OL, and Arizona lost Carey and will probably be 7-8 win team that their program is destined to be.He_Needs_More_Time said:RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA got kind of fucked with the schedule too. The two teams they miss are Oregon State and WSU. USC gets to miss Oregon and UW (this pisses me off). I still think UCLA wins the South, but I thought that was interesting and something to watch.
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That's why I think Sark is in trouble. I think this team isn't very good and the next two years he replaces the Beavers and Cougs with Huskies and Ducks.RoadDawg55 said:
I would be surprised if they didn't win the South. ASU lost almost their whole defense. USC has Sark and a shitty OL, and Arizona lost Carey and will probably be 7-8 win team that their program is destined to be.He_Needs_More_Time said:RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA got kind of fucked with the schedule too. The two teams they miss are Oregon State and WSU. USC gets to miss Oregon and UW (this pisses me off). I still think UCLA wins the South, but I thought that was interesting and something to watch.
It is a nice little scheduling quirk the Pac-12 has created it to give an LA team an advantage for a two year cycle. -
UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)
USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona) -
USC will have 4 conference losses. It's in the script. I think they lose either @Utah or @WSU for the fourth loss.whatshouldicareabout said:UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)
USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona) -
2013 was the first and only year where Sark didn't have that WTF road loss(You could argue UCLA/Stanford but both of them were favored).RoadDawg55 said:
USC will have 4 conference losses. It's in the script. I think they lose either @Utah or @WSU for the fourth loss.whatshouldicareabout said:UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)
USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona)
Utah tends to play well at home too. Good call on that one. -
Sounds like they are imploding.
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It isn't hard to be down on a team that Slick was recently fired from.dnc said:You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.
But you guys have no shot. Your QB experience is nothing compared to theirs.
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this site is seething with Mora hate
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Lets look at the metrics from last year.
UCLA was 8 in SRS and 8 in Sagarin.
UW was 13 in SRS and 11 in Sagarin.
I agree that UW probably beats UCLA at home. On a neutral field UCLA is probably a 5-6 point favorite.
I also agree that we shouldn't be marking UCLA as a likely loss. I think UCLA and Stanford are 50-50 games and that Arizona and WSU also are potentially 50-50 games. These games are very hard to call. I could see us losing to any of those teams but I also think we could be favored in each game. -
UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.He_Needs_More_Time said:RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/68273/pac-12-returning-starters-2puppylove_sugarsteel said:
UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.He_Needs_More_Time said:RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA: 9* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: QB Brett Hundley, C Jake Brendel, LB/RB Myles Jack, LB Eric Kendricks, DL Ellis McCarthy, S Randall Goforth, CB Ishmael Adams
USC: 7* offense, 8 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: WR Nelson Agholor, RB Javorius Allen, DT Leonard Williams, LB Hayes Pullard, CB Josh Shaw, S Su'a Cravens
Doogs hate facts so not surprised you are wrong on this. -
I have a hunch Stanford will fall back to earth this season.
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I know we've been saying that for a few years now but I believe it this year.DerekJohnson said:I have a hunch Stanford will fall back to earth this season.
Stanford: 5* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists Only returning 5 offensive starters hurts plus they play at UW, at UCLA, at ASU, and at Oregon not to mention at Notre Dame as well. That's just brutal. -
AZ will be tough. UW's been mutilated in Tucson since '08 (plus there's altitude and heat!!!!). With an adult in charge, chances are better though.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Lets look at the metrics from last year.
UCLA was 8 in SRS and 8 in Sagarin.
UW was 13 in SRS and 11 in Sagarin.
I agree that UW probably beats UCLA at home. On a neutral field UCLA is probably a 5-6 point favorite.
I also agree that we shouldn't be marking UCLA as a likely loss. I think UCLA and Stanford are 50-50 games and that Arizona and WSU also are potentially 50-50 games. These games are very hard to call. I could see us losing to any of those teams but I also think we could be favored in each game.
WSU seems like a should win, but who knows (insert throw out the records because it's a rivalry game line). I can't look up returning starters because it's May 10th......it seems weird... -
#BruinRevolution
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LISTEN creampuff, UCLA a n d usc both return 16 starters by every major publication (and don't count kickers, they DONT COUNT U stupid fuck). USC actually returns 17 according to the only expert that matters...sugarloveHe_Needs_More_Time said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/68273/pac-12-returning-starters-2puppylove_sugarsteel said:
UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.He_Needs_More_Time said:RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA: 9* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: QB Brett Hundley, C Jake Brendel, LB/RB Myles Jack, LB Eric Kendricks, DL Ellis McCarthy, S Randall Goforth, CB Ishmael Adams
USC: 7* offense, 8 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: WR Nelson Agholor, RB Javorius Allen, DT Leonard Williams, LB Hayes Pullard, CB Josh Shaw, S Su'a Cravens
Doogs hate facts so not surprised you are wrong on this.
so, like EVERY STINKING CUNT ROTTEN time before, you're wrong bitch. How the hell do you get through life. -
And for fuck sake, quit making shit up to sound football smart and trying to fit in. Talk about Micheal Sam, at least you'll have a little expertise in that football arena!
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What exactly am I making up? I simply quoted an ESPN article.puppylove_sugarsteel said:And for fuck sake, quit making shit up to sound football smart and trying to fit in. Talk about Micheal Sam, at least you'll have a little expertise in that football arena!
Only one in here making up shit is you which is par for the course. -
Quit plagiarism my shit fucko
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Beat SC.
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I still don't get the Brett Hundley love... I watched a lot of UCLA last year and there were so many times he just flat out missed some easy throws and also some awful interceptions (For pick-6's). I think he is a solid QB, but I don't know if he should really be mentioned for the Heisman.
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I just remember Hundley being beyond awful against Stanford. Completely shut down at the same place where Price played his heart out and was robbed of a win because of Sarktard's non-existent special teams.
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Huh?CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I still don't get the Brett Hundley love... I watched a lot of UCLA last year and there were so many times he just flat out missed some easy throws and also some awful interceptions (For pick-6's). I think he is a solid QB, but I don't know if he should really be mentioned for the Heisman.
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Hundley had to run for his life almost every play. He led a great comeback against ASU. Some of his mistakes were magnified because they needed him to be really good to win. He's a good QB.
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yesdnc said:
Huh?CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I still don't get the Brett Hundley love... I watched a lot of UCLA last year and there were so many times he just flat out missed some easy throws and also some awful interceptions (For pick-6's). I think he is a solid QB, but I don't know if he should really be mentioned for the Heisman.
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I know a bit about this subject. I'm a hardcore Bruin fan- I go to all the practices, and my frame of reference goes back pretty far.
This team is the most talented, balanced, physical team in Westwood since 1988. The 1998 team was certainly entertaining and good; but the D was swiss cheese despite the Offense scoring 45 points a game. UCLA has rarely combined a good O with a good D... A couple early KD teams had some really good Defenses, but couldn't score to save their lives; then when he finally got the O going as MoJo and Marcedes matured; the D took a dump. The Neu led teams were just an abysmal joke, with what can only be called horrendous QB play combined with the worst coaching/preparation/attention to details/motivation I've ever seen.
The D is moving to a more 4-2-5 base formation after playing the last couple years in a 3-4 look. This should greatly improve the D considering the personnel.
Despite the losses along the Front 7 to the NFL this year with Barr, Marsh, Zumwalt; the D looks much better.. the return of OWA is huge; during the last 4 games of the 2012 season(SC, Stanford,STanford, Baylor), he was arguably becoming the best DL on the team (above Datone Jones and Marsh). He looked like an NFL player this spring after redshirting following hip surgeries last year. He's 6'3.5" 275 with a 6 pack. It's seriously not fare; he honestly looks like Osi Umenyuera in his prime. Young DL's McCArthy, Clark, and Vanderdoes have made big strides from last year. DC Ulbrich calls So. NT Clark possibly the best player on the team. Kenny Orjioke was held out of the spring game, but his talent was on par with Anthony Barr everyday during spring camp at OLb/Elephant though his feel for the position is probably closer to Barr in spring 2012-- he's 6'4 245 with ridiculously low body fat; he arrived as a rangy young 16 year old 205 pound safety; and is now a scary athletic jr OLB(and still just 19). Our 2 Nigerians have ridiculous genes! The young Lbers Savaiinea and J. Brown both played a bunch last year as true Frosh's in reserve. Myles Jack and Eric Kendricks are obviously big-time players at ILB. Jack played last year almost completely on his athleticism. He's actually learning how to play this spring, and he's literally scary good on the practice field.
a couple names to remember in the secondary: jr CB Fabian Moreau, who has emerged as a shutdown type cornerback.... and young So. FS Tahaan Goodman; who has been a rangy hammer this spring as the light has turned on and his understanding of the D has taken hold.
Shaq was a good WR, but UCLA has a group of guys returning who will likely do much more than he did in the next couple years... 3 JR WR's Payton, Lucien, and Fuller return with plenty of experience and each have more talent than Shaq does. Along with the development and improvement of So. Y/TE Thomas Duarte who caught everything thrown his way this spring after putting on 10 pounds and improving his speed/route running. The emergence of El Massington will also be big this fall; he's almost 2 years removed from his ACL, redshirted last year- he's 6'3 210 with deep speed.
the loss of Xavier Sua-Filo is a big one..... UCLA picked up a 'graduate' transfer from Malcolm Bunche a 2 year starter at Miami to step in at LG. The rest of the OL should make huge strides as they started 3 True Frosh's most of last year(including theUW game)-- RT Caleb Benenoch completely transformed his body in 4 months since last year and is now poised to hold down the LT position; and Simon Goines will be back at RT following a broken leg/knee surgery last year. Alex Redmond at RG was a bruiser Frosh AA last year; and 3 year starter Jake Brendel returns at Center.
Hundley has made some pretty big strides--- in his throwing mechanics, progressions, awareness, reading of the D etc.... He's the straw that stirs the drink; and if this spring was any indication; he'll take that needed next step as a player to move UCLA up as a team.
Whatever the 2013 team was:: good? , talented? ,maybe a bit inconsistent, injury riddled-- they went 10-3 with a brutal schedule with road games @Neb, @Furd, @Oregon, @SC.... The 2014 team(not including the incoming Frosh's) would likely put a physical beatdown on last year's team. I think they've matured as a team enough to get over the Stanford/Oregon hump this year with at least one if not both of them.
Doesn't mean I'm coming here crowing that UCLA is going to beat UW..Petersen is an outstanding coach; and Seattle in November is a tough place to play...but UCLA will absolutely be a serious contender for the Pac12 championship next season. -
TL;DR. Also, LEAVE!!!bouncepassBro said:I know a bit about this subject. I'm a hardcore Bruin fan- I go to all the practices, and my frame of reference goes back pretty far.
This team is the most talented, balanced, physical team in Westwood since 1988. The 1998 team was certainly entertaining and good; but the D was swiss cheese despite the Offense scoring 45 points a game. UCLA has rarely combined a good O with a good D... A couple early KD teams had some really good Defenses, but couldn't score to save their lives; then when he finally got the O going as MoJo and Marcedes matured; the D took a dump. The Neu led teams were just an abysmal joke, with what can only be called horrendous QB play combined with the worst coaching/preparation/attention to details/motivation I've ever seen.
The D is moving to a more 4-2-5 base formation after playing the last couple years in a 3-4 look. This should greatly improve the D considering the personnel.
Despite the losses along the Front 7 to the NFL this year with Barr, Marsh, Zumwalt; the D looks much better.. the return of OWA is huge; during the last 4 games of the 2012 season(SC, Stanford,STanford, Baylor), he was arguably becoming the best DL on the team (above Datone Jones and Marsh). He looked like an NFL player this spring after redshirting following hip surgeries last year. He's 6'3.5" 275 with a 6 pack. It's seriously not fare; he honestly looks like Osi Umenyuera in his prime. Young DL's McCArthy, Clark, and Vanderdoes have made big strides from last year. DC Ulbrich calls So. NT Clark possibly the best player on the team. Kenny Orjioke was held out of the spring game, but his talent was on par with Anthony Barr everyday during spring camp at OLb/Elephant though his feel for the position is probably closer to Barr in spring 2012-- he's 6'4 245 with ridiculously low body fat; he arrived as a rangy young 16 year old 205 pound safety; and is now a scary athletic jr OLB(and still just 19). Our 2 Nigerians have ridiculous genes! The young Lbers Savaiinea and J. Brown both played a bunch last year as true Frosh's in reserve. Myles Jack and Eric Kendricks are obviously big-time players at ILB. Jack played last year almost completely on his athleticism. He's actually learning how to play this spring, and he's literally scary good on the practice field.
a couple names to remember in the secondary: jr CB Fabian Moreau, who has emerged as a shutdown type cornerback.... and young So. FS Tahaan Goodman; who has been a rangy hammer this spring as the light has turned on and his understanding of the D has taken hold.
Shaq was a good WR, but UCLA has a group of guys returning who will likely do much more than he did in the next couple years... 3 JR WR's Payton, Lucien, and Fuller return with plenty of experience and each have more talent than Shaq does. Along with the development and improvement of So. Y/TE Thomas Duarte who caught everything thrown his way this spring after putting on 10 pounds and improving his speed/route running. The emergence of El Massington will also be big this fall; he's almost 2 years removed from his ACL, redshirted last year- he's 6'3 210 with deep speed.
the loss of Xavier Sua-Filo is a big one..... UCLA picked up a 'graduate' transfer from Malcolm Bunche a 2 year starter at Miami to step in at LG. The rest of the OL should make huge strides as they started 3 True Frosh's most of last year(including theUW game)-- RT Caleb Benenoch completely transformed his body in 4 months since last year and is now poised to hold down the LT position; and Simon Goines will be back at RT following a broken leg/knee surgery last year. Alex Redmond at RG was a bruiser Frosh AA last year; and 3 year starter Jake Brendel returns at Center.
Hundley has made some pretty big strides--- in his throwing mechanics, progressions, awareness, reading of the D etc.... He's the straw that stirs the drink; and if this spring was any indication; he'll take that needed next step as a player to move UCLA up as a team.
Whatever the 2013 team was:: good? , talented? ,maybe a bit inconsistent, injury riddled-- they went 10-3 with a brutal schedule with road games @Neb, @Furd, @Oregon, @SC.... The 2014 team(not including the incoming Frosh's) would likely put a physical beatdown on last year's team. I think they've matured as a team enough to get over the Stanford/Oregon hump this year with at least one if not both of them.
Doesn't mean I'm coming here crowing that UCLA is going to beat UW..Petersen is an outstanding coach; and Seattle in November is a tough place to play...but UCLA will absolutely be a serious contender for the Pac12 championship next season.