I know a bit about this subject. I'm a hardcore Bruin fan- I go to all the practices, and my frame of reference goes back pretty far.
This team is the most talented, balanced, physical team in Westwood since 1988. The 1998 team was certainly entertaining and good; but the D was swiss cheese despite the Offense scoring 45 points a game. UCLA has rarely combined a good O with a good D... A couple early KD teams had some really good Defenses, but couldn't score to save their lives; then when he finally got the O going as MoJo and Marcedes matured; the D took a dump. The Neu led teams were just an abysmal joke, with what can only be called horrendous QB play combined with the worst coaching/preparation/attention to details/motivation I've ever seen.
The D is moving to a more 4-2-5 base formation after playing the last couple years in a 3-4 look. This should greatly improve the D considering the personnel.
Despite the losses along the Front 7 to the NFL this year with Barr, Marsh, Zumwalt; the D looks much better.. the return of OWA is huge; during the last 4 games of the 2012 season(SC, Stanford,STanford, Baylor), he was arguably becoming the best DL on the team (above Datone Jones and Marsh). He looked like an NFL player this spring after redshirting following hip surgeries last year. He's 6'3.5" 275 with a 6 pack. It's seriously not fare; he honestly looks like Osi Umenyuera in his prime. Young DL's McCArthy, Clark, and Vanderdoes have made big strides from last year. DC Ulbrich calls So. NT Clark possibly the best player on the team. Kenny Orjioke was held out of the spring game, but his talent was on par with Anthony Barr everyday during spring camp at OLb/Elephant though his feel for the position is probably closer to Barr in spring 2012-- he's 6'4 245 with ridiculously low body fat; he arrived as a rangy young 16 year old 205 pound safety; and is now a scary athletic jr OLB(and still just 19). Our 2 Nigerians have ridiculous genes! The young Lbers Savaiinea and J. Brown both played a bunch last year as true Frosh's in reserve. Myles Jack and Eric Kendricks are obviously big-time players at ILB. Jack played last year almost completely on his athleticism. He's actually learning how to play this spring, and he's literally scary good on the practice field.
a couple names to remember in the secondary: jr CB Fabian Moreau, who has emerged as a shutdown type cornerback.... and young So. FS Tahaan Goodman; who has been a rangy hammer this spring as the light has turned on and his understanding of the D has taken hold.
Shaq was a good WR, but UCLA has a group of guys returning who will likely do much more than he did in the next couple years... 3 JR WR's Payton, Lucien, and Fuller return with plenty of experience and each have more talent than Shaq does. Along with the development and improvement of So. Y/TE Thomas Duarte who caught everything thrown his way this spring after putting on 10 pounds and improving his speed/route running. The emergence of El Massington will also be big this fall; he's almost 2 years removed from his ACL, redshirted last year- he's 6'3 210 with deep speed.
the loss of Xavier Sua-Filo is a big one..... UCLA picked up a 'graduate' transfer from Malcolm Bunche a 2 year starter at Miami to step in at LG. The rest of the OL should make huge strides as they started 3 True Frosh's most of last year(including theUW game)-- RT Caleb Benenoch completely transformed his body in 4 months since last year and is now poised to hold down the LT position; and Simon Goines will be back at RT following a broken leg/knee surgery last year. Alex Redmond at RG was a bruiser Frosh AA last year; and 3 year starter Jake Brendel returns at Center.
Hundley has made some pretty big strides--- in his throwing mechanics, progressions, awareness, reading of the D etc.... He's the straw that stirs the drink; and if this spring was any indication; he'll take that needed next step as a player to move UCLA up as a team.
Whatever the 2013 team was:: good? , talented? ,maybe a bit inconsistent, injury riddled-- they went 10-3 with a brutal schedule with road games @Neb, @Furd, @Oregon, @SC.... The 2014 team(not including the incoming Frosh's) would likely put a physical beatdown on last year's team. I think they've matured as a team enough to get over the Stanford/Oregon hump this year with at least one if not both of them.
Doesn't mean I'm coming here crowing that UCLA is going to beat UW..Petersen is an outstanding coach; and Seattle in November is a tough place to play...but UCLA will absolutely be a serious contender for the Pac12 championship next season.
I always knew Race Bannon would come back here to post. I just didn't know it would be under the name "bouncepassBro"
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And now a word from Race Bannon
It should be fairly obvious that's me. I'm not going to troll this bored or even post on it. No need to look for me behind every screen name. I was always Race Bannon and here I would be CoronaBruin in honor of Jim Mora. I never have and never will control any other poster. Half brains are rugged individuals. The myth of minions is more Kim bullshit.
The half brain website was a place to say fuck and show tits. There was like 7 of us. The fact that we got so much attention was a source of great humor.
Husky football is long dead. I realized this weekend I really don't miss this argument. I like my twitter account @RaceFBannon where I have many more followers than Harvey Road.
Its never been personal. A lot of you are funny dudes. Doogs can doog and Kim can keep lying about me. I don't give a fuck.
The season was over before it started. 2013 will be special. Enjoy your bored. I'll leave you in peace. If UW ever gets serious again we'll all rally round the campfire and hope someone dies in it.
I have a best friend that is a Bruin, but we have a deal. I always root for UCLA unless they are playing my Huskies, and he always roots for UCLA unless they are playing my DAWGS.
I have a best friend that is a Bruin, but we have a deal. I always root for UCLA unless they are playing my Huskies, and he always roots for UCLA unless they are playing my DAWGS.
DAWG SENSE!!
GET ITTTTTT!!!
Just when I have forgotten about some fucktarded Doogman post I can always count on one of you guys delivering once again.
RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.
RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.
They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.
UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.
UCLA: 9* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists Big names: QB Brett Hundley, C Jake Brendel, LB/RB Myles Jack, LB Eric Kendricks, DL Ellis McCarthy, S Randall Goforth, CB Ishmael Adams USC: 7* offense, 8 defense, 2 specialists Big names: WR Nelson Agholor, RB Javorius Allen, DT Leonard Williams, LB Hayes Pullard, CB Josh Shaw, S Su'a Cravens
Doogs hate facts so not surprised you are wrong on this.
LISTEN creampuff, UCLA a n d usc both return 16 starters by every major publication (and don't count kickers, they DONT COUNT U stupid fuck). USC actually returns 17 according to the only expert that matters...sugarlove
so, like EVERY STINKING CUNT ROTTEN time before, you're wrong bitch. How the hell do you get through life.
I still don't get the Brett Hundley love... I watched a lot of UCLA last year and there were so many times he just flat out missed some easy throws and also some awful interceptions (For pick-6's). I think he is a solid QB, but I don't know if he should really be mentioned for the Heisman.
It was an informative post by the Bruin, but also broog like. Some of his analysis would be like a doog on doogman saying Qualls is going to be incredible because he's 300 pounds and can do a back flip!
Owa was a 5 star and has always looked like a beast. His production hasn't been very good so far and he's coming off a torn ACL. He could be as great as you say, but he hasn't shown it yet. How a player looks doesn't always matter (Donny Mateaki).
Mora has recruited very well and no doubt, you have talented guys. I think they win the South and I agree that the game in Seattle should be a good one, hopefully with a lot on the line.
OWA is not coming off an ACL... He had a hip issue for a couple years, and following his junior season; elected to have a procedure to correct it... then before spring ball, they decided to do the same procedure on the other hip-- thus redshirting last season.. He has been working out full bore since October/November in the S&C program; and he's never looked as explosive or quick as he has this spring.
As I said, the coaches felt that OWA was possibly the best DL on the team down the stretch of his junior season; and felt he was going to blow up into a 1st day NFL pick this past year before the hip surgeries. Specifically in the Stanford game; he was extremely impressive
He was a beast in the Pac12 championship game vs Stanford with 8 tackles and a sack
I know a bit about this subject. I'm a hardcore Bruin fan- I go to all the practices, and my frame of reference goes back pretty far.
This team is the most talented, balanced, physical team in Westwood since 1988. The 1998 team was certainly entertaining and good; but the D was swiss cheese despite the Offense scoring 45 points a game. UCLA has rarely combined a good O with a good D... A couple early KD teams had some really good Defenses, but couldn't score to save their lives; then when he finally got the O going as MoJo and Marcedes matured; the D took a dump. The Neu led teams were just an abysmal joke, with what can only be called horrendous QB play combined with the worst coaching/preparation/attention to details/motivation I've ever seen.
The D is moving to a more 4-2-5 base formation after playing the last couple years in a 3-4 look. This should greatly improve the D considering the personnel.
Despite the losses along the Front 7 to the NFL this year with Barr, Marsh, Zumwalt; the D looks much better.. the return of OWA is huge; during the last 4 games of the 2012 season(SC, Stanford,STanford, Baylor), he was arguably becoming the best DL on the team (above Datone Jones and Marsh). He looked like an NFL player this spring after redshirting following hip surgeries last year. He's 6'3.5" 275 with a 6 pack. It's seriously not fare; he honestly looks like Osi Umenyuera in his prime. Young DL's McCArthy, Clark, and Vanderdoes have made big strides from last year. DC Ulbrich calls So. NT Clark possibly the best player on the team. Kenny Orjioke was held out of the spring game, but his talent was on par with Anthony Barr everyday during spring camp at OLb/Elephant though his feel for the position is probably closer to Barr in spring 2012-- he's 6'4 245 with ridiculously low body fat; he arrived as a rangy young 16 year old 205 pound safety; and is now a scary athletic jr OLB(and still just 19). Our 2 Nigerians have ridiculous genes! The young Lbers Savaiinea and J. Brown both played a bunch last year as true Frosh's in reserve. Myles Jack and Eric Kendricks are obviously big-time players at ILB. Jack played last year almost completely on his athleticism. He's actually learning how to play this spring, and he's literally scary good on the practice field.
a couple names to remember in the secondary: jr CB Fabian Moreau, who has emerged as a shutdown type cornerback.... and young So. FS Tahaan Goodman; who has been a rangy hammer this spring as the light has turned on and his understanding of the D has taken hold.
Shaq was a good WR, but UCLA has a group of guys returning who will likely do much more than he did in the next couple years... 3 JR WR's Payton, Lucien, and Fuller return with plenty of experience and each have more talent than Shaq does. Along with the development and improvement of So. Y/TE Thomas Duarte who caught everything thrown his way this spring after putting on 10 pounds and improving his speed/route running. The emergence of El Massington will also be big this fall; he's almost 2 years removed from his ACL, redshirted last year- he's 6'3 210 with deep speed.
the loss of Xavier Sua-Filo is a big one..... UCLA picked up a 'graduate' transfer from Malcolm Bunche a 2 year starter at Miami to step in at LG. The rest of the OL should make huge strides as they started 3 True Frosh's most of last year(including theUW game)-- RT Caleb Benenoch completely transformed his body in 4 months since last year and is now poised to hold down the LT position; and Simon Goines will be back at RT following a broken leg/knee surgery last year. Alex Redmond at RG was a bruiser Frosh AA last year; and 3 year starter Jake Brendel returns at Center.
Hundley has made some pretty big strides--- in his throwing mechanics, progressions, awareness, reading of the D etc.... He's the straw that stirs the drink; and if this spring was any indication; he'll take that needed next step as a player to move UCLA up as a team.
Whatever the 2013 team was:: good? , talented? ,maybe a bit inconsistent, injury riddled-- they went 10-3 with a brutal schedule with road games @Neb, @Furd, @Oregon, @SC.... The 2014 team(not including the incoming Frosh's) would likely put a physical beatdown on last year's team. I think they've matured as a team enough to get over the Stanford/Oregon hump this year with at least one if not both of them.
Doesn't mean I'm coming here crowing that UCLA is going to beat UW..Petersen is an outstanding coach; and Seattle in November is a tough place to play...but UCLA will absolutely be a serious contender for the Pac12 championship next season.
OWA is not coming off an ACL... He had a hip issue for a couple years, and following his junior season; elected to have a procedure to correct it... then before spring ball, they decided to do the same procedure on the other hip-- thus redshirting last season.. He has been working out full bore since October/November in the S&C program; and he's never looked as explosive or quick as he has this spring.
As I said, the coaches felt that OWA was possibly the best DL on the team down the stretch of his junior season; and felt he was going to blow up into a 1st day NFL pick this past year before the hip surgeries. Specifically in the Stanford game; he was extremely impressive
He was a beast in the Pac12 championship game vs Stanford with 8 tackles and a sack
May fault about getting the injury wrong. I knew he had to redshirt last year because of an injury. He also has 6 sacks in three season. Yes, he looks like a beast. He always has. His production hasn't matched it.
Off season reports are entertaining, but mean nothing until the games start. This board knows that. I can't tell you how many times I've read or heard about how so and so has never looked better, put on 15 pounds of muscle, has been killing it in practice, and rarely does it matter. We will see if he is going to play like a 5 star or if he will be just another guy, like he has shown so far.
Your season will come down to if your OL takes a step, Hundley plays like a first round QB, and replacing the guys in your front 7. If you do those things, you could be in the top 4 playoff. If you don't, you probably lose 3 games. As your post noted, the DL has some really good youngsters (Vanderdoes, Clark, McCarthy), the LB's are basically set, and the secondary should be good. I think the OL would probably be my biggest concern if I were you.
I agree with that.... you can throw the first 2 years out the window with OWA..He came in as an extremely gifted but RAW player out of H.S. with little more than a bullrush. the coaching and scheme was horrendous those 1st 2 years; and he played behind Datone Jones..
His Junior season; I'm not pulling it out of my ass that the coaches felt he was coming on at the end of that year(1st with real coaching) to the point that they felt he was already better than Marsh and would be a bigger/stronger version of Datone Jones last year before the surgeries. Plus he was playing a 4i tech in the 3-4 defense as a junior; so he wasn't expected to light up a stat-sheet... Now he's playing an outside tackle shade DE in a 4 man front; he should have a much stronger showing in regards to pass rushing and stats.
take a look at this: go the 50:25 mark and watch the play he makes vs big,bad Stanford
It's year 3. This is the year for him. I think he'll get there but either way it will be interesting.™
The loss to Oregon last year really hurt though. They didn't look that prepared at all.
I agree about this year being a big year for Mora. He has a favorable conference schedule, with @UW and @ASU being the only two tough road games. They get Stanford, Oregon, and USC at home.
I thought they played well against Oregon, at least in the first half. They were physical and were in Oregon's head a little bit. OBK and some other quooks were upset about Zumwalt's hard hits.
UCLA had a stretch in the middle of the season where the didn't play well, starting with Stanford. They lost the next week to Oregon and looked like dogshit the next week against Colorado in the first half. Hundley and their OL were terrible against Stanford.
Until Jack gave them a boost on offense, it seemed like they completely relied on Hundley. I think Jack getting 5-10 carries against Oregon and Stanford would have helped. When he was on, they were very good. When he wasn't, they were pretty average. When your OL isn't very good, your QB is bound to have ups and downs. Price did the same thing in 2012.
It wasn't a hip replacement or Torn tendons etc in his hip...
he had frayed rotator cuff issues in both hips that were causing inflammation and if not treated could lead to torn tendons etc. they cleaned one up right after 2012 season; and then went in and cleaned the other. It was thought that he could've come back and played last year; but it would be beneficial to sit out and continue to strengthen/stretch/rehab so that he can make a huge splash in his last year.
an ACL would be much worse than the minor hip surgeries that Owa went through.
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And now a word from Race Bannon
It should be fairly obvious that's me. I'm not going to troll this bored or even post on it. No need to look for me behind every screen name. I was always Race Bannon and here I would be CoronaBruin in honor of Jim Mora. I never have and never will control any other poster. Half brains are rugged individuals. The myth of minions is more Kim bullshit.
The half brain website was a place to say fuck and show tits. There was like 7 of us. The fact that we got so much attention was a source of great humor.
Husky football is long dead. I realized this weekend I really don't miss this argument. I like my twitter account @RaceFBannon where I have many more followers than Harvey Road.
Its never been personal. A lot of you are funny dudes. Doogs can doog and Kim can keep lying about me. I don't give a fuck.
The season was over before it started. 2013 will be special. Enjoy your bored. I'll leave you in peace. If UW ever gets serious again we'll all rally round the campfire and hope someone dies in it.
Have fun. 5-7 here we come!!!!!! 1111!!
I have a best friend that is a Bruin, but we have a deal. I always root for UCLA unless they are playing my Huskies, and he always roots for UCLA unless they are playing my DAWGS.
DAWG SENSE!!
GET ITTTTTT!!!
I love this site for that alone.
Owa was a 5 star and has always looked like a beast. His production hasn't been very good so far and he's coming off a torn ACL. He could be as great as you say, but he hasn't shown it yet. How a player looks doesn't always matter (Donny Mateaki).
Mora has recruited very well and no doubt, you have talented guys. I think they win the South and I agree that the game in Seattle should be a good one, hopefully with a lot on the line.
As I said, the coaches felt that OWA was possibly the best DL on the team down the stretch of his junior season; and felt he was going to blow up into a 1st day NFL pick this past year before the hip surgeries. Specifically in the Stanford game; he was extremely impressive
He was a beast in the Pac12 championship game vs Stanford with 8 tackles and a sack
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2044369-ucla-football-6-top-performers-from-the-bruins-spring-game/page/5
Off season reports are entertaining, but mean nothing until the games start. This board knows that. I can't tell you how many times I've read or heard about how so and so has never looked better, put on 15 pounds of muscle, has been killing it in practice, and rarely does it matter. We will see if he is going to play like a 5 star or if he will be just another guy, like he has shown so far.
Your season will come down to if your OL takes a step, Hundley plays like a first round QB, and replacing the guys in your front 7. If you do those things, you could be in the top 4 playoff. If you don't, you probably lose 3 games. As your post noted, the DL has some really good youngsters (Vanderdoes, Clark, McCarthy), the LB's are basically set, and the secondary should be good. I think the OL would probably be my biggest concern if I were you.
His Junior season; I'm not pulling it out of my ass that the coaches felt he was coming on at the end of that year(1st with real coaching) to the point that they felt he was already better than Marsh and would be a bigger/stronger version of Datone Jones last year before the surgeries. Plus he was playing a 4i tech in the 3-4 defense as a junior; so he wasn't expected to light up a stat-sheet... Now he's playing an outside tackle shade DE in a 4 man front; he should have a much stronger showing in regards to pass rushing and stats.
take a look at this: go the 50:25 mark and watch the play he makes vs big,bad Stanford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-oAOLheX5w&feature=youtu.be&t=50m32s
The loss to Oregon last year was the first real red flag. They didn't look prepared at all.
I thought they played well against Oregon, at least in the first half. They were physical and were in Oregon's head a little bit. OBK and some other quooks were upset about Zumwalt's hard hits.
UCLA had a stretch in the middle of the season where the didn't play well, starting with Stanford. They lost the next week to Oregon and looked like dogshit the next week against Colorado in the first half. Hundley and their OL were terrible against Stanford.
Until Jack gave them a boost on offense, it seemed like they completely relied on Hundley. I think Jack getting 5-10 carries against Oregon and Stanford would have helped. When he was on, they were very good. When he wasn't, they were pretty average. When your OL isn't very good, your QB is bound to have ups and downs. Price did the same thing in 2012.
he had frayed rotator cuff issues in both hips that were causing inflammation and if not treated could lead to torn tendons etc. they cleaned one up right after 2012 season; and then went in and cleaned the other. It was thought that he could've come back and played last year; but it would be beneficial to sit out and continue to strengthen/stretch/rehab so that he can make a huge splash in his last year.
an ACL would be much worse than the minor hip surgeries that Owa went through.