UCLA

RoadDawg55

I'm coming down on them a little bit. They've had a decent amount of guys drafted. They have lost their best defensive player, best OL (their OL was pretty bad last year), best WR, a DL (Marsh), and a good college LB in Zumwalt. I think UW and UCLA were pretty comparable teams last year. They were talented, but flawed. The difference in the game was turnovers and Mora being a superior coach to Sark. I think we probably would have beaten them at home.

UCLA should be the favorite to win the South, but those are pretty important guys to lose for a top 10 team. I think Hundley is good, and will be better this year. The young OL and young secondary should both be better (their weakness last year), and Jack is obviously a beast. Mora's teams will always play hard and be tough. Mora has recruited very well, but many of their best players are still young. If we get good QB play and the secondary isn't a complete dreckfest, we could be better than them. I may be riding a doog wave down here in LA, but I actually have more faith in Petersen than I would in Mora. It's tough to say that with too much conviction though because I think both are quality coaches. I have seen posters call the UCLA game a likely loss, but I think we win that game at home. That could change after watching the first 5 games, but I think we are as good as them.

dnc

You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.

RoadDawg55

dnc said:

You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.

Just because they were so young. I think they will be good. I'm not sure if I'm buying top 10 good. The OL will need to take a big step and those are important guys to lose off the front 7, compared to UW where the only guy lost is Fuimaono who was a middling player.

They definitely have the edge at QB at this point, which is obviously huge, but I think we stack up well with them after that. We should have the superior OL and DL.

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RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

RoadDawg55

He_Needs_More_Time said:

RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

I would be surprised if they didn't win the South. ASU lost almost their whole defense. USC has Sark and a shitty OL, and Arizona lost Carey and will probably be 7-8 win team that their program is destined to be.

UCLA got kind of fucked with the schedule too. The two teams they miss are Oregon State and WSU. USC gets to miss Oregon and UW (this pisses me off). I still think UCLA wins the South, but I thought that was interesting and something to watch.

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RoadDawg55 said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

I would be surprised if they didn't win the South. ASU lost almost their whole defense. USC has Sark and a shitty OL, and Arizona lost Carey and will probably be 7-8 win team that their program is destined to be.

UCLA got kind of fucked with the schedule too. The two teams they miss are Oregon State and WSU. USC gets to miss Oregon and UW (this pisses me off). I still think UCLA wins the South, but I thought that was interesting and something to watch.

That's why I think Sark is in trouble. I think this team isn't very good and the next two years he replaces the Beavers and Cougs with Huskies and Ducks.

It is a nice little scheduling quirk the Pac-12 has created it to give an LA team an advantage for a two year cycle.

whatshouldicareabout

UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)

USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona)

RoadDawg55

whatshouldicareabout said:

UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)

USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona)

USC will have 4 conference losses. It's in the script. I think they lose either @Utah or @WSU for the fourth loss.

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RoadDawg55 said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

UCLA will win the south, but have 3 Pac-12 losses (Oregon, Stanford, at UW)

USC will have 3 Pac-12 losses (at Stanford, at UCLA, at Arizona)

USC will have 4 conference losses. It's in the script. I think they lose either @Utah or @WSU for the fourth loss.

2013 was the first and only year where Sark didn't have that WTF road loss(You could argue UCLA/Stanford but both of them were favored).

Utah tends to play well at home too. Good call on that one.

MikeDamone

Sounds like they are imploding.

OZONE

dnc said:

You were pretty down on them heading into last year too.

It isn't hard to be down on a team that Slick was recently fired from.

But you guys have no shot. Your QB experience is nothing compared to theirs.

sarktastic

this site is seething with Mora hate

HeretoBeatmyChest

Lets look at the metrics from last year.

UCLA was 8 in SRS and 8 in Sagarin.
UW was 13 in SRS and 11 in Sagarin.

I agree that UW probably beats UCLA at home. On a neutral field UCLA is probably a 5-6 point favorite.

I also agree that we shouldn't be marking UCLA as a likely loss. I think UCLA and Stanford are 50-50 games and that Arizona and WSU also are potentially 50-50 games. These games are very hard to call. I could see us losing to any of those teams but I also think we could be favored in each game.

puppylove_sugarsteel

He_Needs_More_Time said:

RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.

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puppylove_sugarsteel said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/68273/pac-12-returning-starters-2

UCLA: 9* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: QB Brett Hundley, C Jake Brendel, LB/RB Myles Jack, LB Eric Kendricks, DL Ellis McCarthy, S Randall Goforth, CB Ishmael Adams
USC: 7* offense, 8 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: WR Nelson Agholor, RB Javorius Allen, DT Leonard Williams, LB Hayes Pullard, CB Josh Shaw, S Su'a Cravens

Doogs hate facts so not surprised you are wrong on this.

DerekJohnson

I have a hunch Stanford will fall back to earth this season.

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DerekJohnson said:

I have a hunch Stanford will fall back to earth this season.

I know we've been saying that for a few years now but I believe it this year.

Stanford: 5* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists Only returning 5 offensive starters hurts plus they play at UW, at UCLA, at ASU, and at Oregon not to mention at Notre Dame as well. That's just brutal.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

Lets look at the metrics from last year.

UCLA was 8 in SRS and 8 in Sagarin.
UW was 13 in SRS and 11 in Sagarin.

I agree that UW probably beats UCLA at home. On a neutral field UCLA is probably a 5-6 point favorite.

I also agree that we shouldn't be marking UCLA as a likely loss. I think UCLA and Stanford are 50-50 games and that Arizona and WSU also are potentially 50-50 games. These games are very hard to call. I could see us losing to any of those teams but I also think we could be favored in each game.

AZ will be tough. UW's been mutilated in Tucson since '08 (plus there's altitude and heat!!!!). With an adult in charge, chances are better though.

WSU seems like a should win, but who knows (insert throw out the records because it's a rivalry game line). I can't look up returning starters because it's May 10th......it seems weird...

pat_hm

#BruinRevolution

puppylove_sugarsteel

He_Needs_More_Time said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

RoadDawg, I was feeling the same way. I know they return the most starters of any team in conference but holy fuck they've lost a ton of talent.

They are still my runaway pick to win the South though.

UCLA returns the same number of starters as USC buttfuck. "Runaway" favorite just shows how ignant u is. Stick to gardening u pansy, leave the football discussion to those in-the-know.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/68273/pac-12-returning-starters-2

UCLA: 9* offense, 7 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: QB Brett Hundley, C Jake Brendel, LB/RB Myles Jack, LB Eric Kendricks, DL Ellis McCarthy, S Randall Goforth, CB Ishmael Adams
USC: 7* offense, 8 defense, 2 specialists
Big names: WR Nelson Agholor, RB Javorius Allen, DT Leonard Williams, LB Hayes Pullard, CB Josh Shaw, S Su'a Cravens

Doogs hate facts so not surprised you are wrong on this.

LISTEN creampuff, UCLA a n d usc both return 16 starters by every major publication (and don't count kickers, they DONT COUNT U stupid fuck). USC actually returns 17 according to the only expert that matters...sugarlove

so, like EVERY STINKING CUNT ROTTEN time before, you're wrong bitch. How the hell do you get through life.

puppylove_sugarsteel

And for fuck sake, quit making shit up to sound football smart and trying to fit in. Talk about Micheal Sam, at least you'll have a little expertise in that football arena!