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[who?.gif]TurdBomber said:creepycoug said:
Did someone actually try and make that point?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great getting stuck in the minutia of the details as always. My point stands. Chile, Peru, who gives a shit? Where are they now? They died before the abolition from overwork, exhaustion, torturednc said:
Pretty sure you're reading the chart wrong on Chile. It's either .5 a million to Peru or .5 a million total to Peru and Chile, I'm not sure which. But every source I can find says a. Chile never imported nearly as many slaves as the surrounding areas because it was so poor and b. Chile was the second nation in the Americas to abolish slavery outright (after Haiti).PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Exactly. On a global scale the lucky slaves ended up in America. It's why we have 30 million plus African Americans in this country who have a huge influence on culture, pop culture, our economy, etc.SFGbob said:
Check out the numbers on the mortality rates and lifespan for African slaves that were shipped to South America and the Caribbean. One of the reasons why they needed so many of them.Swaye said:
What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?dnc said:
Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).Swaye said:Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!
It's grim.
How come Chile doesnt have many black people in it? They had the same amount of slaves as the US according to those charts...
Because the Spanish were indescribably cruel to everyone and most slaves in Spanish countries died
It is blowing my mind that more people dont know this
I'm pretty sure the Chilean slavery population was much lower than the US's but it's hard to find hard numbers.
This thread went from America was the fucking worst and South America did things the right way along with Europe, to splitting hairs over which shitty SA country was actually the worst for the survival of their slaves, of which they had millions more of than the US ever did.
Hth, fuck off
What is so complicated here? Stipulate that the US was the enlightenment that led to the global abolishment of slavery, and that the Spaniards and Dutch were way meaner slave owners than US slave owners.
It's a smudge mark on history, here and elsewhere. I accept the world was a brutal place and still can look back and think it was fucked up. That it was more fucked up elsewhere seems pertinent to a discussion about who was the most fucked up. Doesn't seem as pertinent to a discussion about slavery in the US.
And, no; before you go there, I don't subscribe to the notion that slavery in the US is why we have the issues we have today.
Well, then, you're no Anti-Racist in the eyes of Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X Kendi.
And that means you're a racist. You only get two choices, doncha know? -
Just don't piss down my back and tell me its rainingcreepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says. -
Dont tread on me. Sit on my face instead
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So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works? -
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TurdBomber said:
So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works?
You're asking the wrong guy. #severebias
Also, yes. The fate of the conquered is usually worse than some name calling. The Castro Bros got to call the losers whatever they wanted. When you win, you win.
We? think of them as traitors to the Real Cuba. Sure.gif. -
Liberals fucking hate Thomas Sowell and his feelings free factsSledog said:
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If only he was was white, they could just label him a white supremacist. Damn that skin color of his!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Liberals fucking hate Thomas Sowell and his feelings free factsSledog said: -
He Ain’t BlackFenderbender123 said:
If only he was was white, they could just label him a white supremacist. Damn that skin color of his!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Liberals fucking hate Thomas Sowell and his feelings free factsSledog said: -
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century. -
Thanks for verifying with facts what I was getting at. Great post. Not to mention good ole Churchill forcibly starving Indians which led to millions of deaths.Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Europe "abolishing" slavery while literally and figuratively raping their colonies is the equivalent of sending Thoughts and Prayers. Fucking meaningless -
Once, just once, before I die, I'd like to experience what Havana was like in the early 50's.creepycoug said:TurdBomber said:
So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works?
You're asking the wrong guy. #severebias
Also, yes. The fate of the conquered is usually worse than some name calling. The Castro Bros got to call the losers whatever they wanted. When you win, you win.
We? think of them as traitors to the Real Cuba. Sure.gif.
Cubans I've met say it was better than post-war Paris. -
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them. -
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
The whole applying today's morals, standards etc. to the past doesn't work. Shit happened. Most of it got fixed and the world is a better place. That's how this whole thing works.dnc said:
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
Godfather II is a time capsule.TurdBomber said:
Once, just once, before I die, I'd like to experience what Havana was like in the early 50's.creepycoug said:TurdBomber said:
So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works?
You're asking the wrong guy. #severebias
Also, yes. The fate of the conquered is usually worse than some name calling. The Castro Bros got to call the losers whatever they wanted. When you win, you win.
We? think of them as traitors to the Real Cuba. Sure.gif.
Cubans I've met say it was better than post-war Paris. -
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again. -
The fucking ULTIMATE Uncle Tom, as far as liberals are concerned.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Liberals fucking hate Thomas Sowell and his feelings free factsSledog said:
- Educated
- Successful
- Conservative
- Outspoken
- Uncompromised
If you want to hear someone with a sociology degree from (insert state university here) instantly become an expert on Keynesian or Marxist economic theory, just mention Thomas Sowell’s name. They’d have you believe he’s Samuel L from Django Unchained. -
Looks like I was right. As alwaysdnc said:
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
Jim Crow and the KKK terrorizing black Americans wasn't US policy. It was southern Rat party policy.
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The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
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So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot. -
Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hotTurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war -
I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.
Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.
Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials. -
I'm not British, I'm American.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
hth -
There's no greater demonstration of a superficial understanding of history than to call the Southern Confederacy "Traitors."
Why not just call them "the bad guys?" Kreist. -
Not a Millenial.TurdBomber said:
I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.
Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.
Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
Not misusing or reimagining terms.
Fuck off. -
dnc said:
I'm not British, I'm American.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
hth
Obviously an SJW linguist, however. Go Fuck Yourself, ignoramus.dnc said:
Not a Millenial.TurdBomber said:
I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.
Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.
Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
Not misusing or reimagining terms.
Fuck off. -
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TurdBomber said:dnc said:
I'm not British, I'm American.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
hth
Obviously an SJW linguist, however. Go Fuck Yourself, ignoramus.dnc said:
Not a Millenial.TurdBomber said:
I seem to recall a Civil War with exactly two opposing sides: North and South. Modern language appropriators are a big, big problem in our society right now. These are the same folks who say blacks can't be racist, by re-imagining the definition of the word. Same with hate speech, words being a form of violence, etc., etc.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah...rebels =/= traitors often times. Traitors are usually turncoats after the war has already turned hot.TurdBomber said:
So all the Founding Fathers were Traitors, too? Wow.dnc said:
The South started the War. They fired on American soldiers.TurdBomber said:
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again.
Traitors.
hth
Seems you're overusing the wrong term, a lot.
But whatever. If you want to pick the terms, win the war
If you can't, or refuse to call something what it is, then you're in bed with the SJW crowd who want the entire world to revolve around micro-aggressions, trigger warnings, and hurt feelings.
Sorry, but that's not a road to go down.
Learn English and use the proper Terms, Millennials.
Not misusing or reimagining terms.
Fuck off.Traitor: A person who betrays a friend, country, etc.
Literally textbook definition, bitch.
