Jason Whitlock: Colin Kaepernick is a fraud
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creepycoug said:
Some good work in this thread. Every now and again, the Tug, this den of iniquity overrun by Ducks, can actually be a classroom.
But I live in a world in which those to whom I report have the attention span of a flea, and I never get sufficient tim to esplain myself unless I start with "this is nuclear level risk, so let me go over those certificates you sign and remind you what they cover."
In that respect, I think the Executive Summary is this.
Slavery was yet another expression of human cruelty; people have been doing brutal shit to other people forever. @Swaye 's people were no exception even b4 whitey showed up.
The US played the slavery game too.
Our civil war, based in large part on a lack of consensus on slavery, makes how we? ended it somewhat unique. Still, we? mind our own backyard and owe a heartfelt apology for our? role.
Comparing ourselves to Brazil and Cuba is like getting caught with the dog and telling everyone that the guy down the street has been doing it too.
Kap is an opportunist.
Europe did a lot of bad shit for a long tim before the US was even an idea. Duh! That's where we picked up all of our bad habits.
Glad we owe a heartfelt apology. That solved everything!!! -
Just when I was starting to respect your intellect. Don't be so literal dumb dumb.PostGameOrangeSlices said:creepycoug said:Some good work in this thread. Every now and again, the Tug, this den of iniquity overrun by Ducks, can actually be a classroom.
But I live in a world in which those to whom I report have the attention span of a flea, and I never get sufficient tim to esplain myself unless I start with "this is nuclear level risk, so let me go over those certificates you sign and remind you what they cover."
In that respect, I think the Executive Summary is this.
Slavery was yet another expression of human cruelty; people have been doing brutal shit to other people forever. @Swaye 's people were no exception even b4 whitey showed up.
The US played the slavery game too.
Our civil war, based in large part on a lack of consensus on slavery, makes how we? ended it somewhat unique. Still, we? mind our own backyard and owe a heartfelt apology for our? role.
Comparing ourselves to Brazil and Cuba is like getting caught with the dog and telling everyone that the guy down the street has been doing it too.
Kap is an opportunist.
Europe did a lot of bad shit for a long tim before the US was even an idea. Duh! That's where we picked up all of our bad habits.
Glad we owe a heartfelt apology. That solved everything!!! -
The Lakota were / are not from South Dakota. They took the land. It is actually an interesting subject to look at how the native tribes in North America moved in response to the European invasion. I like to say invasion because it makes me sound woke
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Because the propaganda utilized to spur them to war was regionalism. Same shit as tribalism. Same shit as all of human history.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
Typical Confederate soldier was probably not fighting for rich people's slave owning rights. It was to prevent stuff like the march on Atlanta and probably for Southern pride in general.
If only they had Twitter to tell them otherwise
Did someone actually try and make that point?dnc said:
Doogs hate factsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great getting stuck in the minutia of the details as always. My point stands. Chile, Peru, who gives a shit? Where are they now? They died before the abolition from overwork, exhaustion, torturednc said:
Pretty sure you're reading the chart wrong on Chile. It's either .5 a million to Peru or .5 a million total to Peru and Chile, I'm not sure which. But every source I can find says a. Chile never imported nearly as many slaves as the surrounding areas because it was so poor and b. Chile was the second nation in the Americas to abolish slavery outright (after Haiti).PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Exactly. On a global scale the lucky slaves ended up in America. It's why we have 30 million plus African Americans in this country who have a huge influence on culture, pop culture, our economy, etc.SFGbob said:
Check out the numbers on the mortality rates and lifespan for African slaves that were shipped to South America and the Caribbean. One of the reasons why they needed so many of them.Swaye said:
What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?dnc said:
Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).Swaye said:Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!
It's grim.
How come Chile doesnt have many black people in it? They had the same amount of slaves as the US according to those charts...
Because the Spanish were indescribably cruel to everyone and most slaves in Spanish countries died
It is blowing my mind that more people dont know this
I'm pretty sure the Chilean slavery population was much lower than the US's but it's hard to find hard numbers.
This thread went from America was the fucking worst and South America did things the right way along with Europe, to splitting hairs over which shitty SA country was actually the worst for the survival of their slaves, of which they had millions more of than the US ever did.
Hth, fuck off -
was I being literal though? 😉 75kcreepycoug said:
Just when I was starting to respect your intellect. Don't be so literal dumb dumb.PostGameOrangeSlices said:creepycoug said:Some good work in this thread. Every now and again, the Tug, this den of iniquity overrun by Ducks, can actually be a classroom.
But I live in a world in which those to whom I report have the attention span of a flea, and I never get sufficient tim to esplain myself unless I start with "this is nuclear level risk, so let me go over those certificates you sign and remind you what they cover."
In that respect, I think the Executive Summary is this.
Slavery was yet another expression of human cruelty; people have been doing brutal shit to other people forever. @Swaye 's people were no exception even b4 whitey showed up.
The US played the slavery game too.
Our civil war, based in large part on a lack of consensus on slavery, makes how we? ended it somewhat unique. Still, we? mind our own backyard and owe a heartfelt apology for our? role.
Comparing ourselves to Brazil and Cuba is like getting caught with the dog and telling everyone that the guy down the street has been doing it too.
Kap is an opportunist.
Europe did a lot of bad shit for a long tim before the US was even an idea. Duh! That's where we picked up all of our bad habits.
Glad we owe a heartfelt apology. That solved everything!!! -
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society. -
Native Americans were genociding each other long before whitey arrived.RaceBannon said:The Lakota were / are not from South Dakota. They took the land. It is actually an interesting subject to look at how the native tribes in North America moved in response to the European invasion. I like to say invasion because it makes me sound woke
It's almost like humanity is only very recently not an unquenchable bloodthirsty war machine -
We're a couple months away from showing that we haven't lost the blood thirst at all. Society hangs on a slim thread. Geoploitically. mutual assured destruction has kept the half assed peace for 70 yearsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Native Americans were genociding each other long before whitey arrived.RaceBannon said:The Lakota were / are not from South Dakota. They took the land. It is actually an interesting subject to look at how the native tribes in North America moved in response to the European invasion. I like to say invasion because it makes me sound woke
It's almost like humanity is only very recently not an unquenchable bloodthirsty war machine
CHAZ was a sneak preview if we? don't get our shit together and get back to work
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Did someone actually try and make that point?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great getting stuck in the minutia of the details as always. My point stands. Chile, Peru, who gives a shit? Where are they now? They died before the abolition from overwork, exhaustion, torturednc said:
Pretty sure you're reading the chart wrong on Chile. It's either .5 a million to Peru or .5 a million total to Peru and Chile, I'm not sure which. But every source I can find says a. Chile never imported nearly as many slaves as the surrounding areas because it was so poor and b. Chile was the second nation in the Americas to abolish slavery outright (after Haiti).PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Exactly. On a global scale the lucky slaves ended up in America. It's why we have 30 million plus African Americans in this country who have a huge influence on culture, pop culture, our economy, etc.SFGbob said:
Check out the numbers on the mortality rates and lifespan for African slaves that were shipped to South America and the Caribbean. One of the reasons why they needed so many of them.Swaye said:
What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?dnc said:
Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).Swaye said:Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!
It's grim.
How come Chile doesnt have many black people in it? They had the same amount of slaves as the US according to those charts...
Because the Spanish were indescribably cruel to everyone and most slaves in Spanish countries died
It is blowing my mind that more people dont know this
I'm pretty sure the Chilean slavery population was much lower than the US's but it's hard to find hard numbers.
This thread went from America was the fucking worst and South America did things the right way along with Europe, to splitting hairs over which shitty SA country was actually the worst for the survival of their slaves, of which they had millions more of than the US ever did.
Hth, fuck off
What is so complicated here? Stipulate that the US was the enlightenment that led to the global abolishment of slavery, and that the Spaniards and Dutch were way meaner slave owners than US slave owners.
It's a smudge mark on history, here and elsewhere. I accept the world was a brutal place and still can look back and think it was fucked up. That it was more fucked up elsewhere seems pertinent to a discussion about who was the most fucked up. Doesn't seem as pertinent to a discussion about slavery in the US.
And, no; before you go there, I don't subscribe to the notion that slavery in the US is why we have the issues we have today. -
Jim Crow was/is the reasoncreepycoug said:
Did someone actually try and make that point?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great getting stuck in the minutia of the details as always. My point stands. Chile, Peru, who gives a shit? Where are they now? They died before the abolition from overwork, exhaustion, torturednc said:
Pretty sure you're reading the chart wrong on Chile. It's either .5 a million to Peru or .5 a million total to Peru and Chile, I'm not sure which. But every source I can find says a. Chile never imported nearly as many slaves as the surrounding areas because it was so poor and b. Chile was the second nation in the Americas to abolish slavery outright (after Haiti).PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Exactly. On a global scale the lucky slaves ended up in America. It's why we have 30 million plus African Americans in this country who have a huge influence on culture, pop culture, our economy, etc.SFGbob said:
Check out the numbers on the mortality rates and lifespan for African slaves that were shipped to South America and the Caribbean. One of the reasons why they needed so many of them.Swaye said:
What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?dnc said:
Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).Swaye said:Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!
It's grim.
How come Chile doesnt have many black people in it? They had the same amount of slaves as the US according to those charts...
Because the Spanish were indescribably cruel to everyone and most slaves in Spanish countries died
It is blowing my mind that more people dont know this
I'm pretty sure the Chilean slavery population was much lower than the US's but it's hard to find hard numbers.
This thread went from America was the fucking worst and South America did things the right way along with Europe, to splitting hairs over which shitty SA country was actually the worst for the survival of their slaves, of which they had millions more of than the US ever did.
Hth, fuck off
What is so complicated here? Stipulate that the US was the enlightenment that led to the global abolishment of slavery, and that the Spaniards and Dutch were way meaner slave owners than US slave owners.
It's a smudge mark on history, here and elsewhere. I accept the world was a brutal place and still can look back and think it was fucked up. That it was more fucked up elsewhere seems pertinent to a discussion about who was the most fucked up. Doesn't seem as pertinent to a discussion about slavery in the US.
And, no; before you go there, I don't subscribe to the notion that slavery in the US is why we have the issues we have today.
We've come a long way in 60 years but that's pretty white of me to say that
