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Thanks for verifying with facts what I was getting at. Great post. Not to mention good ole Churchill forcibly starving Indians which led to millions of deaths.Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Europe "abolishing" slavery while literally and figuratively raping their colonies is the equivalent of sending Thoughts and Prayers. Fucking meaningless -
Once, just once, before I die, I'd like to experience what Havana was like in the early 50's.creepycoug said:TurdBomber said:
So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works?
You're asking the wrong guy. #severebias
Also, yes. The fate of the conquered is usually worse than some name calling. The Castro Bros got to call the losers whatever they wanted. When you win, you win.
We? think of them as traitors to the Real Cuba. Sure.gif.
Cubans I've met say it was better than post-war Paris. -
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them. -
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
The whole applying today's morals, standards etc. to the past doesn't work. Shit happened. Most of it got fixed and the world is a better place. That's how this whole thing works.dnc said:
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
Godfather II is a time capsule.TurdBomber said:
Once, just once, before I die, I'd like to experience what Havana was like in the early 50's.creepycoug said:TurdBomber said:
So the Castro Brothers were Traitors to CUBA then? (Until they prevailed).creepycoug said:
As Senator What's His Face said to in the Outlaw Josey Wales: to the victors belong the spoils.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
So, the North gets to call them whatever they want; and the sons of the South have to eat it.
"Traitors" I says.
Are you sure that's how this works?
You're asking the wrong guy. #severebias
Also, yes. The fate of the conquered is usually worse than some name calling. The Castro Bros got to call the losers whatever they wanted. When you win, you win.
We? think of them as traitors to the Real Cuba. Sure.gif.
Cubans I've met say it was better than post-war Paris. -
Self-Determination isn't Treason. In fact, it's something the US has supported since it's beginning.dnc said:
They took up arms against the red white and blue.TurdBomber said:
Secessionists aren't Traitors.dnc said:
A pretty good chunk of those 300,000 dead traitors were slaveholders too.YellowSnow said:
Except that about 300,000 (mostly non slave owners) pour white guysm were willing fight to death to protect the property of their society's elites.dnc said:
This is a very quality post.Houhusky said:The US didnt abolish slavery first but it was the first country founded on the ideals of the Scottish Enlightenment, natural/inalienable rights, and individual liberty.
The articles of confederation (the first Constitution of the US) was signed by 48 people from 13 states, all signers exhibited considerable aversion to slavery except for those from South Carolina and Georgia. The compromise, in 1787, was that all new states admitted to the union in what was considered then to be the Northwest territory (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the part of Minnesota) would be slave free states. Haiti, significantly smaller, was the first country in the Western Hemisphere to ban slavery in 1804.
The US was ahead of its time in the ratification of law setting aside significant land that would exist as slave free. If not for having to fight the American Revolution the US would have very likely had the stomach and resources to abolish slavery outright within its boarders upon its formation.
The foundation of the country was largely set by anti slavery economists and philosophers like Adam Smith, Benjamin Rush, Arthur Lee, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson.
The reality of US involvement in slavery is complicated. We were basically held hostage by a fairly small minority of slave owners for a long damn time until we finally got pissed enough about it to elect a President from an abolitionist party and the slavers got so triggered that they seceded.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son. Same as it ever was.
But yes there were probably 200,000 dead Rebs who didn't own slaves.
They wanted to, as you noted. Or at the least they damn sure didn't want to compete with freedmen to avoid being the bottom rung of society.
Fucking traitors the lot of them.
Try again. -
The fucking ULTIMATE Uncle Tom, as far as liberals are concerned.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Liberals fucking hate Thomas Sowell and his feelings free factsSledog said:
- Educated
- Successful
- Conservative
- Outspoken
- Uncompromised
If you want to hear someone with a sociology degree from (insert state university here) instantly become an expert on Keynesian or Marxist economic theory, just mention Thomas Sowell’s name. They’d have you believe he’s Samuel L from Django Unchained. -
Looks like I was right. As alwaysdnc said:
M0st of the Euros you note abolished slavery then reengaged in it (thought it was of a different yet still vile form when they reengaged)Houhusky said:
@PostGameOrangeSlices and @Swaye slavery map got me thinking... Just how much of Europe has participated in slavery in the 20th century, well after the US Civil War.
The Ottoman empire that controlled vast areas of land across the eastern Mediterranean in Europe kept slaves well into the 1910s and Turkey didnt abolish slavery until 1933.
The short stint of German colonialism into Namibia between 1894- 1918 the German colony participated in forced labor and slavery in their diamond mines. Additionally Nazi Germany participated in Slavery, and at its peak over 1/4th of all of Germany's labor came from Slaves.
The Soviet Union that took over nearly all of Eastern Europe and practiced slavery during and post WW2. They kept the slaves captured in WW2 until 1958, Russia still has forced labor camps today.
Colonial Italian controlled Somalia had widespread slavery into the 1930s.
In Spanish and French colonial controlled Morocco and Western Saharan territories slavery wasn't outlawed by the Europeans until 1925.
Upon further review it is my conclusion that @PostGameOrangeSlices assertion that slavery abolished didnt always mean slavery wasn't practiced under the authority of that country as True.
Claims of "almost the entirety' of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery before the US are only with the giant ASTERIX next the claim noting that many of the European countries only banned slavery in their homelands, outsourced the practice, and changed the name to "indentured servitude" or "forced labor" in their African colonies where they continued slavery into the 20th century.
Indian givers, really.
Sadly the US human rights record wasn't exactly idyllic post slavery either, particularly towards former slaves.
This world is generally a pretty fucked up place. -
Jim Crow and the KKK terrorizing black Americans wasn't US policy. It was southern Rat party policy.
