Mount Rushmore a symbol of white supremacy says the DNC

RatherBeBrewing said:

A carved sculpture made by a Ku Klux Klan member, on indigenous land that was brutally taken away despite a treaty, featuring the faces of two Presidents who owned other people, including one that raped his wife's half sister because she was chattel, is being viewed as a symbol of white supremacy? FUCKING SHOCKING.

Blow that shit up. If Borglum wasn't a Klansmen I'd say keep Lincoln, but it's time to blow it up and re-do it.

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WestlinnDuck said:

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MikeDamone said:

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NorthwestFresh said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

A carved sculpture made by a Ku Klux Klan member, on indigenous land that was brutally taken away despite a treaty, featuring the faces of two Presidents who owned other people, including one that raped his wife's half sister because she was chattel, is being viewed as a symbol of white supremacy? FUCKING SHOCKING.

Blow that shit up. If Borglum wasn't a Klansmen I'd say keep Lincoln, but it's time to blow it up and re-do it.

If we want to go there, the Democrat Party had a former recruiter for the KKK as Senate Majority leader as recently as 1989 and the founders of the Democrats all held slaves. Abolish the entire party if we’re going to get busy here. Disband it as a racist organization founded on White Supremacy. A disgusting racist past and many Democrats even filibustered civil rights acts in the 1960s.

It sounds like you assumed I would jump to their defense? Fuck both the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party. They're just slightly different versions of the same right wing agenda. I'm looking forward to the future, where the two party system, the electoral college, campaign financing, and all those trappings of an oligarchy masquerading as a representative democracy disappear.

I thought I said kill yourself.

I would rather live long enough to see the days when this nation and the world become more progressive societies, and dinosaur views like yours are mocked as a relic of the past.

You spelled "progressive" wrong. It's spelled "fascist". Interesting that the modern progressive doesn't believe in free speech, liberty, freedom and the rule of law. But they do believe that fascism and tyranny.

Meet me at the 7-Eleven at the corner of 43 and Cedar Oak and I'll show you some tyranny.

MikeDamone said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

MikeDamone said:

I thought I said kill yourself.

I would rather live long enough to see the days when this nation and the world become more progressive societies, and dinosaur views like yours are mocked as a relic of the past.

So you're going to remain on stolen land. Got it. Hypocrite

RatherBeBrewing said:

NorthwestFresh said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

A carved sculpture made by a Ku Klux Klan member, on indigenous land that was brutally taken away despite a treaty, featuring the faces of two Presidents who owned other people, including one that raped his wife's half sister because she was chattel, is being viewed as a symbol of white supremacy? FUCKING SHOCKING.

Blow that shit up. If Borglum wasn't a Klansmen I'd say keep Lincoln, but it's time to blow it up and re-do it.

If we want to go there, the Democrat Party had a former recruiter for the KKK as Senate Majority leader as recently as 1989 and the founders of the Democrats all held slaves. Abolish the entire party if we’re going to get busy here. Disband it as a racist organization founded on White Supremacy. A disgusting racist past and many Democrats even filibustered civil rights acts in the 1960s.

It sounds like you assumed I would jump to their defense? Fuck both the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party. They're just slightly different versions of the same right wing agenda. I'm looking forward to the future, where the two party system, the electoral college, campaign financing, and all those trappings of an oligarchy masquerading as a representative democracy disappear.

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YellowSnow said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

YellowSnow said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

A carved sculpture made by a Ku Klux Klan member, on indigenous land that was brutally taken away despite a treaty, featuring the faces of two Presidents who owned other people, including one that raped his wife's half sister because she was chattel, is being viewed as a symbol of white supremacy? FUCKING SHOCKING.

Blow that shit up. If Borglum wasn't a Klansmen I'd say keep Lincoln, but it's time to blow it up and re-do it.

If we’re gonna blow up Mt Rushmore then what’s the fucking point of even having a United States of America?

I didn't realize the point of a nation state was to maintain a shitty sculpture in the middle of nowhere.

I thought they existed in order to create and enforce laws that reflect the current views of society, maintain a currency for the trade of goods, combine resources for defense, to provide education. You get the point, I thought the United States existed for the people instead of statues.

In spite of being a shitty slave owning piece of shit, Washington was also once of the greatest leaders in the history of human kind. George III upon learning that Washington planned to resign his commission as Commander in Chief and retire to his farm, remarked "if he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world."

Since you're one the few people who has restrained himself from calling me a fascist, communist (see below picture), or saying that beliefs I've held for decades are a phase, I wanted to reply.

Washington, of course, did great things despite owning slaves. Defeated an oppressive colonial force, set a precedent for peaceful transition of power, etc. I don't know if I'd use the praise of an 18th century monarch in his defense, but that is beside the point. This becomes a philosophical issue: should history judge people by the societal norms of their time? There is no right answer. It should be a mix of the two, acknowledging both the positive and negative of historical figures. In Western history Caesar is generally viewed positively, despite his slaughtering the Gauls and others. Ghengis Khan is viewed negatively, despite his tolerance for religion and improving trade. Just examples, showing how problematic history is.

I wouldn't support the de-naming of anything Washington. My views on Mt. Rushmore might be different if it had been made by a person less shitty than Gutzon Borglum, but the artist can't be separated from the art. When everything about Mt. Rushmore is combined then a reasonable person can see how another reasonable person might view it as a symbol of white supremacy.