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Pick another asshole. IDC. The point, being, it's at least a debatable topic. And I don't for one second buy the "but history" or "we'll forget" arguments. Nobody is forgetting who was on the wrong side of WWII despite there being no statues of enemy (German, Japanese or Italian) generals in our state or federal capitals.NorthwestFresh said:
It always goes back to Hitler. Always.creepycoug said:I'm generally not one for statute removal, but ...
the confederate memorials are at least an intellectually interesting discussion, as long as you're not having it with a retard.
TJ and George are foundational to the Union, so anyone can fuck off with that idea.
And, Robert E. Lee, in particular, was an amazing man in life and worthy of being remembered and, to an extent, revered.
With that said, I am loosely on the side of the argument that the secessionists were enemies of the Union and thus enemies of the country. They were dispatched only after the spilling of much American blood. As they say, Hitler is important history, too, but we don't erect statues of him, here or elsewhere. So, the whole, "learning" angle, is, to me, disingenuous. Similarly with the confederate flag. When it flies over a state capital building in the South, I find it somewhat offensive myself, and I sure as shit don't blame a black person for finding it deeply offensive. This is different than the rights of people to display them to their heart's desire.
Again, the gist of it, for me, that has some persuasive power, is that these are clear symbols of our former enemy. It makes only slightly more sense (because it was a civil war and they were before and after the war our countrymen) to erect monuments in their honor as it does to so for Musolini.
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I would not die on the hill of Confederate statues at this point. I thought creep laid it out well. There is an argument in favor that isn't racist but perception becomes reality
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And I gave creep a chin
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Yep, seems like a let it go moment.RaceBannon said:I would not die on the hill of Confederate statues at this point. I thought creep laid it out well. There is an argument in favor that isn't racist but perception becomes reality
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I think there are fine people on both sides of the issue.RaceBannon said:I would not die on the hill of Confederate statues at this point. I thought creep laid it out well. There is an argument in favor that isn't racist but perception becomes reality
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You beat me to the punchNorthwestFresh said:
It always goes back to Hitler. Always.creepycoug said:I'm generally not one for statute removal, but ...
the confederate memorials are at least an intellectually interesting discussion, as long as you're not having it with a retard.
TJ and George are foundational to the Union, so anyone can fuck off with that idea.
And, Robert E. Lee, in particular, was an amazing man in life and worthy of being remembered and, to an extent, revered.
With that said, I am loosely on the side of the argument that the secessionists were enemies of the Union and thus enemies of the country. They were dispatched only after the spilling of much American blood. As they say, Hitler is important history, too, but we don't erect statues of him, here or elsewhere. So, the whole, "learning" angle, is, to me, disingenuous. Similarly with the confederate flag. When it flies over a state capital building in the South, I find it somewhat offensive myself, and I sure as shit don't blame a black person for finding it deeply offensive. This is different than the rights of people to display them to their heart's desire.
Again, the gist of it, for me, that has some persuasive power, is that these are clear symbols of our former enemy. It makes only slightly more sense (because it was a civil war and they were before and after the war our countrymen) to erect monuments in their honor as it does to so for Musolini.
Just my $0.02. -
I agree but you let yourself get rolled on everyone of these we will be getting rid of Washington and Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt...Doogles said:
Yep, seems like a let it go moment.RaceBannon said:I would not die on the hill of Confederate statues at this point. I thought creep laid it out well. There is an argument in favor that isn't racist but perception becomes reality
I was surprised Trump came out strong on not renaming bases. Not sure that's a winner either -
Robert Byrd recruited for the KKK and was saying the n-word in interviews in the 2000s. Yet nobody wants to defame him or rename all of the things named after him. It’s all a partisan political move to get the black people who vote Democrat to believe Trump and the past is their problem, and not the Democrats who control their cities.
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I'd feel better about statute removal if a city council voted on it rather than having them removed by violent demonstrators using mob rule.
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And perhaps killing people in the process of mob rule.WestlinnDuck said:I'd feel better about statute removal if a city council voted on it rather than having them removed by violent demonstrators using mob rule.
