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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,294 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    I agree, single parents, white or black, naturally have a rougher go. You're splitting hairs, though, focusing on illegitimate kids. I'm talking about the bigger picture as a whole. Again, what you chose to do --if anything is up -- to you.
    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,294 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    I agree, single parents, white or black, naturally have a rougher go. You're splitting hairs, though, focusing on illegitimate kids. I'm talking about the bigger picture as a whole. Again, what you chose to do --if anything is up -- to you.
    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,294 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    I agree, single parents, white or black, naturally have a rougher go. You're splitting hairs, though, focusing on illegitimate kids. I'm talking about the bigger picture as a whole. Again, what you chose to do --if anything is up -- to you.
    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,294 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    I agree, single parents, white or black, naturally have a rougher go. You're splitting hairs, though, focusing on illegitimate kids. I'm talking about the bigger picture as a whole. Again, what you chose to do --if anything is up -- to you.
    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Sounds like we’re not splitting hairs
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    Simple fact.

    I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.

    Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.

    I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?

    I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,056

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTD
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,020 Standard Supporter
    BearsWiin said:

    AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTD
    Would you mind going back where you came from and sucking there instead of here? Thanks.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Forget the guaranttee; it won't get you into UW if diversity is not on your application.

    And you are preaching to the choir. I am close to wrapping up two kids attending fancy schmancy liberal arts colleges in New England. The kind with > $1 billion endowments. Merit scholarships are limited and generally unheard of. Why, with all that money, you ask? Because they want the best and brightest, and they know if you applied and were good enough to get in, you're coming if your parents can pay. They also know that if you applied, good enough to get in and your parents can't pay that you're not coming because you can't pull it out of your ass. They save all that money "competing" for students with merit and give it to the kids who need it.

    So, if you make over $X, and I do, you're paying full freight baby - $60K + a year full freight. Ask @DuckHHunterisafag what I'm talking about. He's doing it too.

    In some ways, it's better ... there's more money for the kids for whom it's otherwise impossible to finance. But it hits upper middle class people very hard. I've basically got a couple of Ferraris I never got to drive.

    The trick to this philanthropy model is to be elite enough that the kids and their families will send them anyway, and why that is would occupy another thread. My kid got into UW Honors college and said no so that I could pay out of my ass somewhere else.

    This is also a more broadly complicated issue, because whether we admit it out loud or not, we, in the US, like the freedom to be different and chase the brass ring, whatever that means to us. So if I have to pay out of my ass in taxes to help make all the schools more level, I lose the freedom to send my kids to what I perceive to be a superior place. Is that the answer? Maybe, but there will be resistance.

    Btw, I agree with a lot of your post. The kids are home and we had a lot of discussion about this last night. There is something going on with our black community and, while things have ostensibly improved, there are issues that remain to be examined and understood.lockquote>

    To my baseman critique. If the answer is taxes, government programs, regulations, and laws.....that’s what caused a lot of the issue in the first place. Wars or poverty and drugs. They will certainly fuck any “help” that they try to heap on this as a solution.

    How about less regulation? Why does anyone need to jump through hoops of fire to start a business. Why does a woman (or man) need to pay the government thousands to do hair?
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited June 2020
    BearsWiin said:

    AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTD
    It stands for ArmaLite Rifle-15. What’s your point? How do you not know this, Housewife?
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369

    It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.
    PART of the problem, yes. I'm down for free birth control.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    Yeah, but still
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    Yeah, but still
    A market requires a buyer and seller.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 27,085 Swaye's Wigwam
    BearsWiin said:

    AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTD
    "I don't like the truth because it doesn't fit my narrative" POTD
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 27,085 Swaye's Wigwam

    A market requires a buyer and seller.
    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    I saw that and stand corrected.
    There is a PLSS joke here somewhere.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369

    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369
    Swaye said:

    There is a PLSS joke here somewhere.
    My grandmother was in a wheelchair but that's a story for the Autzen thread
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 27,085 Swaye's Wigwam
    Baseman said:

    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
    I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it

    Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
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