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  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,076
    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Simple fact.

    I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.

    Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.

    I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?

    I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    Yeah, but still
    A market requires a buyer and seller.
    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
    Admirable. However, you're dealing with people here who would rather distract, deflect, and engage in personal attacks in order to score cheap debate poonts
  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,379

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Simple fact.

    I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.

    Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.

    I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?

    I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    Yeah, but still
    A market requires a buyer and seller.
    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
    I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it

    Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
    We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.

    Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    edited June 2020

    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east


    Don't care, no white Americans are involved.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,680
    edited June 2020
    Baseman said:


    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Simple fact.

    I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.

    Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.

    I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?

    I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    Yeah, but still
    A market requires a buyer and seller.
    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
    I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing it

    Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
    We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.

    Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
    Some consumers benefit.

    What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at lower middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.

    But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break

    Other countries like Vietnam and India can and will and already are picking up the slack. Advanced components and medicine shouldve never been outsourced to begin with
  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,379
    SFGbob said:


    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east


    Don't care, no white Americans are involved.

    I care but we aren't changing the Middle East. We can go in and topple regimes and new ones sprout up. Meanwhile it ends up costing billions of dollars and American lives.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,680
    Baseman said:

    SFGbob said:


    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east


    Don't care, no white Americans are involved.

    I care but we aren't changing the Middle East. We can go in and topple regimes and new ones sprout up. Meanwhile it ends up costing billions of dollars and American lives.
    The Saudis are getting more progressive as more grow fonder of secular life. Women can drive etc. But no one is calling them out for using castrated African slaves...or the surrounding counties in the region. Why is that??
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    BearsWiin said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Baseman said:

    Simple fact.

    I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.

    Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.

    I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?

    I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.

    Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.
    Yeah, but still
    A market requires a buyer and seller.
    Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
    I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.
    Admirable. However, you're dealing with people here who would rather distract, deflect, and engage in personal attacks in order to score cheap debate poonts
    You didn't address my points. I've haven't personally attacked anyone
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,680

    Again, this bored isn't ready for a real discussion on this at all.

    Blacks got fucked by deindustrialization and globalism probably harder than any other group. You could get a good factory job a couple of generations ago and provide for your family. That's not the case very much now. So families get broken more. You can blame that on the elite power structure, not everyday white people. I think a lot of the youth black culture glorifies being a shithead and looks down on those who succeed in school. I'm going off of the 90s. Maybe (hopefully) that's changed a little. And again, kids from single parents statistically do worse financially, are more likely to abuse drugs, and are more likely to end up in the prison industrial complex. Stop sweeping that problem under the rug. Both parties won't touch that. Well I will (on a semi anonymous message board).

    I called bullshit first bro