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Having just been reminded of how badly the ATF fucked this up in Waco

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  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    black eye for the ATF imo
  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    Imagine how the NOAA fishery officers are feeling right now
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    You start digging into it and it’s staggering how many armed federal law enforcement departments.
  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    The authorization for “covert surveillance” is special, but shout out to Swaye they specifically say they can share it with Tribal authorities!
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090

    You start digging into it and it’s staggering how many armed federal law enforcement departments.

    The Throbber already did that once and posted the data. Thinking it was to refute Typhus Boy (RIP @CirrhosisDawg's) claim the Feds couldn't roll into Cali. Several hundred thousand or some such thing. Maybe not that big - but it was impressive how many forest rangers and ag inspectors have guns.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,978 Founders Club
    17 intelligence agencies and I are chuckling


    Nowhere to cut spending. Nope wouldn't be prudent
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,978 Founders Club

    You start digging into it and it’s staggering how many armed federal law enforcement departments.

    The Throbber already did that once and posted the data. Thinking it was to refute Typhus Boy (RIP @CirrhosisDawg's) claim the Feds couldn't roll into Cali. Several hundred thousand or some such thing. Maybe not that big - but it was impressive how many forest rangers and ag inspectors have guns.

    I thought of Cirrhosis when I was watching a show on Grant and at the start of the war the south thought they'd just keep the federal installations

    Abe said as we like to say, no

    There's enough federal armaments in California to fight a war.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090
    edited June 2020

    You start digging into it and it’s staggering how many armed federal law enforcement departments.

    The Throbber already did that once and posted the data. Thinking it was to refute Typhus Boy (RIP @CirrhosisDawg's) claim the Feds couldn't roll into Cali. Several hundred thousand or some such thing. Maybe not that big - but it was impressive how many forest rangers and ag inspectors have guns.

    I thought of Cirrhosis when I was watching a show on Grant and at the start of the war the south thought they'd just keep the federal installations

    Abe said as we like to say, no

    There's enough federal armaments in California to fight a war.
    Fight?

    You saw what happened in Coeur d'Alene last night. The skinny jeans molotov cocktail throwers would turn tail and run back to mommy's basement.

    There'll be no fight.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,793 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2020

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    The other problem is the lefty states implemented no bail policies so for rioting, theft and vandalism etc they are simply cited out and they are back on the streets looting again
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090
    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    The other problem is the lefty states implemented no bail policies so for rioting, theft and vandalism etc they are simply cited out and they are back on the streets looting again
    In the State of Washington, the governor turned them loose.

    Remember the COVID scare from last week? The second wave?

    Apparently one of the state Regional Health District chiefs did too.

    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jun/01/public-officials-decry-racism-as-public-health-thr/

  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Bureaucrats hate been left out of the game. IRS has to be pissed too.

    They were having such a grand old time with covid.

    And then got the shocked Pikachu face when people don't care about them
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,148 Founders Club

    17 intelligence agencies and I are chuckling


    Nowhere to cut spending. Nope wouldn't be prudent

    Remember, all of them agreed Trump colluded with Russians.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
    I stand with RidgewayDwag
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090
    edited June 2020

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
    There aren't plenty of law enforcement agencies willing to handle it. Because the Jay Inslees and the Jenny Durkins of the world aren't doing shit because of all the feels. Fuck that. If they won't do the right thing, they need to have it done for them.

    Not only is the Federal government willing to activate, they are obligated to do so. It's quite sad they have to - don't put words in my mouth that I like it - I don't. But it's certainly preferably to WTF has been transpiring the last week. Except in Spokane and Coeur d'Alene where the people themselves rose up (including the BLM protestors) and said "Fuck that". But you'll never see that reported outside the local area. Doesn't feed the beast.

    The cockroaches scurry when the Orkin man shows up. So either the governors and mayors does the exterminating or its time to bring in the poison where they won't.



  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,793 Standard Supporter

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    Somebody has to distribute the crack...
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,090

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    Because your fuckhead leftist pansy fuck progressive governors and mayors WON'T DO SHIT.

    When you can no longer wipe your own ass, the remaining functioning adults bring in someone who will.


  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    Maybe if some fuckwad leftist governors and mayors would denounce Antifa and enforce looting and vandalism and arson laws, it wouldn't come to this.

    Or are you and #teamburncities to the ground, too, like the Dazzler?

    I don't care if Inslee and Durkin themselves are leading a Mad Max homeless RV brigade down 3rd Ave throwing molotovs at every cop car they see. There are about 20 other law enforcement levers to pull before you get the fucking DEA involved.

    I'll jot you down for #teampolicestate



    No, dickhead.

    I'm for #teamdotherightthing and if that includes rolling out anything and everything available to squash the anarchists, so be it.

    YOUR MadMax statement tells me everything I need to know about your 'concern' for anything other than hanging on to an acute case of TDS.

    So you want to pull out any and all federal law enforcement big guns to squash any sort of domestic squabble. Got it.

    I'm a little more cautious in my preferred approach. There are plenty of federal law enforcement agencies that can handle this. If the feds decide that a few states aren't handling this on their own, and the National Guard isn't properly being dispensed by governors, then go ahead and call in the FBI. You know, the ones who are actually tasked with enforcing domestic terrorism.

    But bring in the DEA and set further precedent that the federal government is willing to activate any and all law enforcement, regardless of that agency's purview? Fuck no.
    You're just pissed their coming for your Meth. That's still the classiest drug of choice in Greater Auburn, isn't it?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,978 Founders Club
    One more thing about Waco - it had its own untended consequence - Oklahoma City. Ruby Ridge played a role but Timmy was at Waco watching
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,793 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    It's fucking terrifying that we have an acting DEA head who is actively trying to get involved in a situation that is so far removed from his agency's jurisdiction and purpose. Shea can get fucked.

    DEA are federal law enforcement officers. They certainly have powers and in my experience were pretty good. Why so upset they investigating you?
    Lol.

    Let's take a step back for you. Going back to Wilbur's framing of this post, I think most can agree that the ATF getting involved in Waco was a massive abuse of federal law enforcement. Yeah, they had guns, but their main intent was to take down a religious cult. Way outside the ATF's purview, and 25 years later it's still considered one of the biggest miscarriages of federal law enforcement justice and one of the easiest examples of how shit can go wrong when you have overzealous federal cops following every justice boner they have.

    The DEA getting involved in riots today would follow a lot of the same parallels, except they'd have even less justification to get involved than the ATF did back in Waco. What possible reason could the DEA have to jump into the fray? Marijuana possession of many of the rioters? Fuck that.
    So you are equating ATF to DEA? Vastly different. DEA does law enforcement every day. Real actual on the street stuff. All major narcotics related. ATF doesn't. HTH
    Kudos on answering the question yourself.