Why John Donovan is misrepresented
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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Yesbetadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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Totally agree he was a bad hire. All I am saying is we should disregard his experience at Penn State when evaluating his experience. He is still a bad hire cause he was a marginally good OC at Vanderbilt and then he went on to have the illustrious post of Assistant RB coach. I just think that all the stuff that gets thrown at him for his Penn State days is unfair, making him a slightly better bad hire.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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Totally agree he was a bad hire. Im just saying we should criticize him for everything but his Penn State days. He was just a scapegoat for that whole situation.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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With all due respect, if you agree he's a bad hire then why are we debating the details?betadawg said:
Totally agree he was a bad hire. Im just saying we should criticize him for everything but his Penn State days. He was just a scapegoat for that whole situation.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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He was a bad hire.
He could still turn out to be good.
There isn't a preponderance of evidence to conclude hell be bad or good.
If he turns out good he wont be a bad hire but a brilliant one
I'm expecting something in between bad and good, leaning toward the good side. I think he'll surprise. -
Cause im bored and there are degrees to bad hires.DerekJohnson said:
With all due respect, if you agree he's a bad hire then why are we debating the details?betadawg said:
Totally agree he was a bad hire. Im just saying we should criticize him for everything but his Penn State days. He was just a scapegoat for that whole situation.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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Not all bad hires are created equal!
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The dooging is strong with this one
Although to be fair it's possible Herm would hire him too
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I'm a Penn State fan by marriage.
Hackenberg was massively hyped and looked the part, but then in games sucked. He was there during the rape sanctions so the team was below what it should have been, but they lost to Temple by 17 points while he was there, which should have gotten him and Franklin fired on the 50.
Daesean Hamilton played with Hackenberg. Donovan took over the offense in Hackenberg's 2nd year. Hackenberg went from 59%/20/10 as a Frosh to 56%/12/15 as a soph. Great job Donovan! -
Absolutely this did happen. However this is clearly a case of someone that had some sort of mental breakdown. If you watch the tape he is wildly innacurate when he was making the same throws as a true freshman. Also, evidenced by his historically bad NFL career, Hackenberg is not a product of Donovan. Lots of very capable coaches tried to fix him to catastrophic results.whlinder said:I'm a Penn State fan by marriage.
Hackenberg was massively hyped and looked the part, but then in games sucked. He was there during the rape sanctions so the team was below what it should have been, but they lost to Temple by 17 points while he was there, which should have gotten him and Franklin fired on the 50.
Daesean Hamilton played with Hackenberg. Donovan took over the offense in Hackenberg's 2nd year. Hackenberg went from 59%/20/10 as a Frosh to 56%/12/15 as a soph. Great job Donovan!
I guess you can argue that Donovan was somehow the catalyst to all this but I just don't see any evidence. In his Tweet declaring for the draft he thanked everyone on the staff besides James Franklin. Pretty sure if he were to blame anyone it would be Franklin not Donovan.
Once again my argument is lets judge him by his Vanderbilt and NFL career and not Penn State. Still a bad hire to hire a marginally successful OC at Vanderbilt with some Assistant experience to become the OC at UW. But imo it's several magnitudes better than what a lot of people are saying, that the reason Penn State sucked those two years was Donovan. -
We went over this ad nauseum when the hire was made.
That 2015 Penn State team had Saquon Barkley, Chris Godwin, Daesean Hamilton, Mike Gesicki, and Donovan Smith at OT.
Donovan should have been able to QB that team himself to better than 5.2 yards per play.
They had a top 10 defense by ypp and went 7-6. Think about that Husky fans that have been frustrated with our offense the last four years. -
chuck said:
He was a bad hire.
He could still turn out to be good.
There isn't a preponderance of evidence to conclude hell be bad or good.
If he turns out good he wont be a bad hire but a brilliant one
I'm expecting something in between bad and good, leaning toward the good side. I think he'll surprise.
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This.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
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It's the equivalent of finding a janitor at General Motors and asking him to be Vice President of R&D at Ford.
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You come up with the one analogy that actually makes the Donovan hire sound good!?...Swaye said:
This.DerekJohnson said:
The guy was an assistant to the running backs coach for the past four years. By his own admission he was shocked that Jimmy called and offered an OC job.betadawg said:The consensus by most fans this year has been that John Donovan is a bad hire mainly because of his two years at Penn State. Penn State was BAD offensively 2 years under Donovan. I thought it was a terrible hire because of this. But upon further examination I have concluded that no offensive coordinator in the world could have been successful with Christian Hackenberg at QB.
Hackenberg was not bad because of John Donovan. He was one of the most inaccurate QBs in college football. PFF did not have a draftable grade on him because of his astonishing inaccuracy. Also, his decision making was terrible, he often threw the ball into double coverage. The media hyped him into a 2nd round pick because of his arm strength and recruiting hype. But PFF was right, Hackenberg went on to have maybe the worst NFL career of any QB ever. It didn’t matter who coached him, he consistently sucked. Hackenberg did not make a single appearance in the NFL as a 2nd rounder, he was out of the league in just two years.
To make matters worse Hackenberg was playing behind a horrific oline. An oline that would give up sacks with 2 man rushes. They had converted dlinemen playing there because of the sanctions and scholarship restrictions. Bottomline is I don’t think any OC in the world can take a horrible QB who is playing behind a horrible oline and make it good.
I still don’t think it was a great hire, but I don’t hold his experience in Penn State against him anymore. He was a solid OC at Vanderbilt, doing well when you take into account the talent gap Vanderbilt was facing every week in the SEC.
Here is an article going over how horrible Hackenberg’s overall career was.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/9/5/17823486/christian-hackenberg-new-york-jets-cincinnati-bengals-sad
Here is an article going over why PFF thinks that Hackenberg should not be drafted.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-pff-doesnt-have-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg
Am I a doog?
It's the equivalent of finding a janitor at General Motors and asking him to be Vice President of R&D at Ford.
Total joke.
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And in 2016 with Trace McSorely as a redshirt Soph and Joe Moorehead as OC they went wild and were probably better than us at the end of the year, but had a last second road loss @ Pitt and got blown out by Harbaugh early in the year. If Sam Darnold didn't live for moments like the Rose Bowl they would have won in Pasadena.FremontTroll said:We went over this ad nauseum when the hire was made.
That 2015 Penn State team had Saquon Barkley, Chris Godwin, Daesean Hamilton, Mike Gesicki, and Donovan Smith at OT.
Donovan should have been able to QB that team himself to better than 5.2 yards per play.
They had a top 10 defense by ypp and went 7-6. Think about that Husky fans that have been frustrated with our offense the last four years.
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I promise nothing. I was careful to say little to nothing over the course of five short paragraphs. I thought I did a good job.DerekJohnson said:chuck said:He was a bad hire.
He could still turn out to be good.
There isn't a preponderance of evidence to conclude hell be bad or good.
If he turns out good he wont be a bad hire but a brilliant one
I'm expecting something in between bad and good, leaning toward the good side. I think he'll surprise.
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Good point. Of course McSorley was on the team in 2015 as well. Those who want to use the Hackenburg excuse should also have to explain why Donovan couldn’t just play the best QB if Hackenburg was the problem.whlinder said:
And in 2016 with Trace McSorely as a redshirt Soph and Joe Moorehead as OC they went wild and were probably better than us at the end of the year, but had a last second road loss @ Pitt and got blown out by Harbaugh early in the year. If Sam Darnold didn't live for moments like the Rose Bowl they would have won in Pasadena.FremontTroll said:We went over this ad nauseum when the hire was made.
That 2015 Penn State team had Saquon Barkley, Chris Godwin, Daesean Hamilton, Mike Gesicki, and Donovan Smith at OT.
Donovan should have been able to QB that team himself to better than 5.2 yards per play.
They had a top 10 defense by ypp and went 7-6. Think about that Husky fans that have been frustrated with our offense the last four years. -
To be fair, almost all coaches have a well recorded history of being complete dumbfucks when it comes to picking a starting QB.FremontTroll said:
Good point. Of course McSorley was on the team in 2015 as well. Those who want to use the Hackenburg excuse should also have to explain why Donovan couldn’t just play the best QB if Hackenburg was the problem.whlinder said:
And in 2016 with Trace McSorely as a redshirt Soph and Joe Moorehead as OC they went wild and were probably better than us at the end of the year, but had a last second road loss @ Pitt and got blown out by Harbaugh early in the year. If Sam Darnold didn't live for moments like the Rose Bowl they would have won in Pasadena.FremontTroll said:We went over this ad nauseum when the hire was made.
That 2015 Penn State team had Saquon Barkley, Chris Godwin, Daesean Hamilton, Mike Gesicki, and Donovan Smith at OT.
Donovan should have been able to QB that team himself to better than 5.2 yards per play.
They had a top 10 defense by ypp and went 7-6. Think about that Husky fans that have been frustrated with our offense the last four years.
Donovans resume is fucking garbage, he isn’t a recruiter, tactician, or innovator. He will likely suck, there is very little upside.
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Why does Moorhead always get a pass for his Miss State offenses?
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His MS offenses were hot garbageQuietcowskee said:Why does Moorhead always get a pass for his Miss State offenses?
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He'll probably get a call from a former frat bro midway through the season offering him a gig at a South Dakota credit Union, mail it in the rest of the way, and write an "aww shucks thank you Seattle for making me and my family feel at home" twat out the door.
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LolHouhusky said:FremontTroll said:
Good point. Of course McSorley was on the team in 2015 as well. Those who want to use the Hackenburg excuse should also have to explain why Donovan couldn’t just play the best QB if Hackenburg was the problem.whlinder said:
And in 2016 with Trace McSorely as a redshirt Soph and Joe Moorehead as OC they went wild and were probably better than us at the end of the year, but had a last second road loss @ Pitt and got blown out by Harbaugh early in the year. If Sam Darnold didn't live for moments like the Rose Bowl they would have won in Pasadena.FremontTroll said:We went over this ad nauseum when the hire was made.
That 2015 Penn State team had Saquon Barkley, Chris Godwin, Daesean Hamilton, Mike Gesicki, and Donovan Smith at OT.
Donovan should have been able to QB that team himself to better than 5.2 yards per play.
They had a top 10 defense by ypp and went 7-6. Think about that Husky fans that have been frustrated with our offense the last four years.
Donovans resume is fucking garbage, he isn’t a recruiter, tactician, or innovator. He will likely suck, there is very little upside.
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To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
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He won't. If he could have hired someone better after taking over as HC, he would have. He botched it up.HairyBallsDawg said:To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
Maybe Lake can use that time to hire somebody better.
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Good point. It’s almost like any dumbfuck that can manage not to trip over their own shoelaces could have walked in to that PSU situation and looked good.Quietcowskee said:Why does Moorhead always get a pass for his Miss State offenses?
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He is a younger first time head coach that had been at UW for the past 6 years. His only other previous experiences were as a 1 year rentals as DB coach.HairyBallsDawg said:To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
Maybe Lake can use that time to hire somebody better.
If you asked people here, they think he should have fired Bhonapha and Gregory too... JFC that would have been an even bigger disaster.
I don’t know why people thought Lake would have the connections for a staff rebuild, he needed to stabilize the program and get his feet under him.
Paopao should have been retained, he churned out good/great players.
Bush should have been retained. Don’t twist, he sucked, but Given that babsuhka figured out how to field a decent offense at Oregon state once he got away from Pete. Lake should have gave Bush 1 year to figure it out or GTFO while he actually went out shopping for a real OC options for the following year that mades sense.
Instead Lake fired bush without a real plan and had to resort to cold calling nobodies in Florida. He also replaced paopao with basically paopaos secretary. -
We all hope Donovan works out, but no matter what, bringing in as OC the Jaguars Asst. RB coach the last 4 years is a bad bad bad hire.Houhusky said:
He is a younger first time head coach that had been at UW for the past 6 years. His only other previous experiences were as a 1 year rentals as DB coach.HairyBallsDawg said:To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
Maybe Lake can use that time to hire somebody better.
If you asked people here, they think he should have fired Bhonapha and Gregory too... JFC that would have been an even bigger disaster.
I don’t know why people thought Lake would have the connections for a staff rebuild, he needed to stabilize the program and get his feet under him.
Paopao should have been retained, he churned out good/great players.
Bush should have been retained. Don’t twist, he sucked, but Given that babsuhka figured out how to field a decent offense at Oregon state once he got away from Pete. Lake should have gave Bush 1 year to figure it out or GTFO while he actually went out shopping for a real OC options for the following year that mades sense.
Instead Lake fired bush without a real plan and had to resort to cold calling nobodies in Florida. He also replaced paopao with basically paopaos secretary.
Lake's biggest mistake was not having a plan B after Kellen Moore was retained in Dallas, as imo Pete thought he was coming here and so did Jimmy.
What I don't get is Jimmy was done with Bush as was CP, but he didn't make the change with Bob and KB when he had to know Pete was not going to retain them at the end of the season as well. -
Good points. My guess is that Bush and Jimmy weren't too fond of each other after the defense spent the last two seasons trying to stay in games with an inept offense.godawgst said:
We all hope Donovan works out, but no matter what, bringing in as OC the Jaguars Asst. RB coach the last 4 years is a bad bad bad hire.Houhusky said:
He is a younger first time head coach that had been at UW for the past 6 years. His only other previous experiences were as a 1 year rentals as DB coach.HairyBallsDawg said:To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
Maybe Lake can use that time to hire somebody better.
If you asked people here, they think he should have fired Bhonapha and Gregory too... JFC that would have been an even bigger disaster.
I don’t know why people thought Lake would have the connections for a staff rebuild, he needed to stabilize the program and get his feet under him.
Paopao should have been retained, he churned out good/great players.
Bush should have been retained. Don’t twist, he sucked, but Given that babsuhka figured out how to field a decent offense at Oregon state once he got away from Pete. Lake should have gave Bush 1 year to figure it out or GTFO while he actually went out shopping for a real OC options for the following year that mades sense.
Instead Lake fired bush without a real plan and had to resort to cold calling nobodies in Florida. He also replaced paopao with basically paopaos secretary.
Lake's biggest mistake was not having a plan B after Kellen Moore was retained in Dallas, as imo Pete thought he was coming here and so did Jimmy.
What I don't get is Jimmy was done with Bush as was CP, but he didn't make the change with Bob and KB when he had to know Pete was not going to retain them at the end of the season as well.
Hiring Donovan was a low percentage gamble with a lot on the line. Horrible hire.
He still might be good, in which case I'll call Lake lucky, not smart. -
Why discredit? If Donovan turns out to be good, I will call Jimmy a fucking genius.chuck said:
Good points. My guess is that Bush and Jimmy weren't too fond of each other after the defense spent the last two seasons trying to stay in games with an inept offense.godawgst said:
We all hope Donovan works out, but no matter what, bringing in as OC the Jaguars Asst. RB coach the last 4 years is a bad bad bad hire.Houhusky said:
He is a younger first time head coach that had been at UW for the past 6 years. His only other previous experiences were as a 1 year rentals as DB coach.HairyBallsDawg said:To me, the biggest issue is that this is the best guy Lake could land.
We should be grateful that this season will probably be cancelled.
Maybe Lake can use that time to hire somebody better.
If you asked people here, they think he should have fired Bhonapha and Gregory too... JFC that would have been an even bigger disaster.
I don’t know why people thought Lake would have the connections for a staff rebuild, he needed to stabilize the program and get his feet under him.
Paopao should have been retained, he churned out good/great players.
Bush should have been retained. Don’t twist, he sucked, but Given that babsuhka figured out how to field a decent offense at Oregon state once he got away from Pete. Lake should have gave Bush 1 year to figure it out or GTFO while he actually went out shopping for a real OC options for the following year that mades sense.
Instead Lake fired bush without a real plan and had to resort to cold calling nobodies in Florida. He also replaced paopao with basically paopaos secretary.
Lake's biggest mistake was not having a plan B after Kellen Moore was retained in Dallas, as imo Pete thought he was coming here and so did Jimmy.
What I don't get is Jimmy was done with Bush as was CP, but he didn't make the change with Bob and KB when he had to know Pete was not going to retain them at the end of the season as well.
Hiring Donovan was a low percentage gamble with a lot on the line. Horrible hire.
He still might be good, in which case I'll call Lake lucky, not smart.
