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Damon Huard interviews John Donovan

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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    Innovative? He hasn’t done shit since 1995.


    Time gets a bad rap.

    OKC deserves another bombing.

    #ThunderUp
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited May 2020

    Once upon a time I was loudly derided on Dawgman for suggesting Sark was a terrible hire before he had a practice.
    Was Sark a terrible hire? I submit that he was not.
  • chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,478 Swaye's Wigwam

    Was Sark a terrible hire? I submit that he was not.
    I submit that he was an awful hire without need if hindsight. He wasnt even an accomplished OC at the time he was hired. He had nothing, absolutely nothing, on his resume indicating qualification for any head coach job, let alone one at a traditional power program.

    He turned out a little bit better than I expected when he was announced, but that's not saying much.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    Was Sark a terrible hire? I submit that he was not.
    I’m kind of in the camp that 0-12 and Tyrone made it pretty nearly impossible to hire a proven coach. Sark was a bust, but the idea of hiring him wasn’t bad.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited May 2020
    chuck said:

    I submit that he was an awful hire without need if hindsight. He wasnt even an accomplished OC at the time he was hired. He had nothing, absolutely nothing, on his resume indicating qualification for any head coach job, let alone one at a traditional power program.

    He turned out a little bit better than I expected when he was announced, but that's not saying much.
    We had just come off an 0-12 season and were one of the worst programs in the universe, not just on Earth. No, Seven-Win Sark did not win championships, but he certainly recruited pretty well, bringing talent into the program that helped us to a playoff berth. He was a decent stepping stone. A world-beater, he was not, but a terrible hire he was not either. He had more top 10 wins than Pete.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Yeah, but how do you feel about Sark?
    Ok. That made me laugh.
  • chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,478 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited May 2020

    We had just come off an 0-12 season and were one of the worst programs in the universe, not just on Earth. No, Seven-Win Sark did not win championships, but he certainly recruited pretty well, bringing talent into the program that helped us to a playoff berth. He was a decent stepping stone. A world-beater, he was not, but a terrible hire he was not either. He had more top 10 wins than Pete.
    He wasnt qualified. There are dozens of established head coaches out there at lower tier schools who would have dropped their meager salaries in a heartbeat to come to UW and try their hand at restoring a program that still had resources and prestige in spite of the mismanagement.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited May 2020
    chuck said:

    Pat Hill would have slid his bare ass and taint down 500 miles of sidewalk covered in shattered glass just to inform UW that he received their request for an interview and was considering it.
    I agree. Lots of woulda coulda shouldas in hindsight. I didnt love Sark by any means. I'm just saying that on the scale from terrible hire to Saban, he was squarely in the 47th percentile, in hindsight. Would we have recruited like we did with a lesser named coach? With the bare cupboard we had, I could see a lot of 4-win Bobs and 5-win Jeffs out there. We got 7-win Steve. Not terrible, not great, but at least he was able to bring in some talent, go to some bowl games (I realize that's not saying much, but Ty), and win some big games.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369

    I agree. Lots of woulda coulda shouldas in hindsight. I didnt love Sark by any means. I'm just saying that on the scale from terrible hire to Saban, he was squarely in the 47th percentile, in hindsight. Would we have recruited like we did with a lesser named coach? With the bare cupboard we had, I could see a lot of 4-win Bobs and 5-win Jeffs out there. We got 7-win Steve. Not terrible, not great, but at least he was able to bring in some talent, go to some bowl games (I realize that's not saying much, but Ty), and win some big games.
    Lots out here wanted us to make Nick Saban say no and he did.
  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,137 Swaye's Wigwam
    We really need 2020 to be cancelled
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823
    HuskyJW said:

    We really need 2020 to be cancelled

    You're in luck!
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,013 Founders Club

    I’m kind of in the camp that 0-12 and Tyrone made it pretty nearly impossible to hire a proven coach. Sark was a bust, but the idea of hiring him wasn’t bad.
    DJ said after the hire he made some calls and within 48 hours heard about the substance abuse issues, immaturity and problems controlling his emotions. It wasn't understood why Emmert and Woodward didn't do their due diligence.

    The one thing that could be said on behalf of your argument is that Woodward attempted to contact Petersen but Pete wouldn't return his calls.

    But I would counter that by saying that Woody was an upper campus bureaucrat who had been recently installed as AD and had no credibility.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited May 2020

    DJ said after the hire he made some calls and within 48 hours heard about the substance abuse issues, immaturity and problems controlling his emotions. It wasn't understood why Emmert and Woodward didn't do their due diligence.

    The one thing that could be said on behalf of your argument is that Woodward attempted to contact Petersen but Pete wouldn't return his calls.

    But I would counter that by saying that Woody was an upper campus bureaucrat who had been recently installed as AD and had no credibility.
    In Woody's defense, Mora said no. Saban wished us luck. Leach pined for the job, lingered several days in Seattle and allegedly showed up for the interview wearing Flip Flops. Pat Hill, well, yeah he said he would drag his naked bag through glass for the job.

    Pinkel had no interest. Then Sark showed up in a crisp, freshly pressed suit with notebooks, under his arm, full of LA recruits and coaches he had "relationships" with. I suppose we could have hired Dan Hawkins. Ed O. in retrospect, if he had interest might have been worth a call.

    I'm not falling for the old "nobody would take the job" line, but sort of.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,013 Founders Club
    Baseman said:

    In Woody's defense, Mora said no. Saban wished us luck. Leach pined for the job, lingered several days in Seattle and allegedly showed up for the interview wearing Flip Flops. Pat Hill, well, yeah he said he would drag his naked bag through glass for the job.

    Pinkel had no interest. Then Sark showed up in a crisp, freshly pressed suit with notebooks, under his arm, full of LA recruits and coaches he had "relationships" with. I suppose we could have hired Dan Hawkins. Ed O. in retrospect, if he had interest might have been worth a call.

    I'm not falling for the old "nobody would take the job" line, but sort of.
    I hear you, but would every one of those guys had said no if Mike Lude (or someone credible) was seeking them out? If I was a coach, I wouldn't have taken Woody seriously.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,348

    Was Sark a terrible hire? I submit that he was not.
    He's your last coach in some time to get hired away.

    So I submit that he's been your best hire this century.


    CHANGE MY MIND
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