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Recruiting Reset
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You really have to hate yourself first, it just opens the door to finding Ms. Desperate/Needy
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I can vouch for this one.dannarc said:You really have to hate yourself first, it just opens the door to finding Ms. Desperate/Needy
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He has above average speed for LB. (faster than the current roster, except maybe Eddie or Hemuli) Much of his HUDL is @ RB -- NAIA likeRoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Two guys I trust, twice have clocked him @ mid to upper 4.6's. He doesn't look amazing in space. So what. Our defense needs a WL that can run sideline to sideline, make backside tackles, and cover. That's Simon.
He's not a .95 TBS darling, overall he looks like a .90. Whatever the case, he fits our defense.
Gregory dicked around offering, and the offer finally came as a 2 way player, which, as described, he is not. Offer him as a WIL or don't offer @ all.
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I don’t disagree with you on your assessment, in fact I agree. But.... as a recruiting noid on the bored, I gotta address two items.Baseman said:
He has above average speed for LB. (faster than the current roster, except maybe Eddie or Hemuli) Much of his HUDL is @ RB -- NAIA likeRoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Two guys I trust, twice have clocked him @ mid to upper 4.6's. He doesn't look amazing in space. So what. Our defense needs a WL that can run sideline to sideline, make backside tackles, and cover. That's Simon.
He's not a .95 TBS darling, overall he looks like a .90. Whatever the case, he fits our defense.
Gregory dicked around offering, and the offer finally came as a 2 way player, which, as described, he is not. Offer him as a WIL or don't offer @ all.
In any event, it's another Bob Gregory, El Floppo production.
Simon wasn’t offered late. He was offered June 22nd of last year. Prior to his Junior year starting. And it was at LB. they didn’t start talking to him about being a RB until now.
Just for posterity. -
At the end of the day we only truly need 1 inside backer in this class unless there’s some attrition unless we want 14 ILBs on scholarship. As long as we get one really good one like Wynden then that’s okay. Simon doesn’t move the needle in any one direction.
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True but don't tell a kid from Tacoma "we need to see you play in person before we offer," when we already had offered out of state '21 kids. Moronic. Great, prioritize better LB's. Don't offer but don't have delusions Simon is a two way player.DoogCourics said:
I don’t disagree with you on your assessment, in fact I agree. But.... as a recruiting noid on the bored, I gotta address two items.Baseman said:
He has above average speed for LB. (faster than the current roster, except maybe Eddie or Hemuli) Much of his HUDL is @ RB -- NAIA likeRoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Two guys I trust, twice have clocked him @ mid to upper 4.6's. He doesn't look amazing in space. So what. Our defense needs a WL that can run sideline to sideline, make backside tackles, and cover. That's Simon.
He's not a .95 TBS darling, overall he looks like a .90. Whatever the case, he fits our defense.
Gregory dicked around offering, and the offer finally came as a 2 way player, which, as described, he is not. Offer him as a WIL or don't offer @ all.
In any event, it's another Bob Gregory, El Floppo production.
Simon wasn’t offered late. He was offered June 22nd of last year. Prior to his Junior year starting. And it was at LB. they didn’t start talking to him about being a RB until now.
Just for posterity.
Bob's closing and evaluation record speaks for itself. -
I am not pro Bob at all but I have no problem recruiting Simon as a RB. He is quite capable at the position.
If he doesn't want to play RB that's fine and you adjust and get him here at LB. But they didn't fuck anything up by suggesting he could play RB. He absolutely could. -
This really doesn't sound like anyone's problem but Simon's. He's not a can't-miss recruit and it shouldn't matter where our talent comes from, as long as we get that talent (which obviously remains to be seen). We just let a fellow local 4* LB walk to Virginia without offering. Why are we not clenching our teeth about that? We offered Simon a year ago and like FKA said, we only really need 1 inside backer. Shit or get off the pot, Julien.
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I feel like this all comes down to Simon being a local guy. He's not an elite prospect but a solid one. What he does and how UW treats him will have some effect on local perception of the program. Is that enough to justify hand wringing over a mid to upper mid tier LB prospect?
I'm not feeling it.
I am, however, on the "get rid of Gregory last year" bandwagon with both feet. There are better guys out there who would come to UW in a heartbeat. Young guys who can relate to kids and their parents, who by many of our standards are kids themselves. If you're going to be old you have to be cool (think Racebannon away from the Tug) and this guy clearly is not. -
Does showing sustained love to Simon move the needle at all with JTT and Jayden Wayne? Simon's a great kid, he's local, and he's being heavily recruited by USC. But even if he was a Kyler Manu--which he's not--would a JTT-Wayne combo be worth a 3rd scholly? Do we (?) really want the Trojans to have an inroad with FSP?FKA_Mousecop said:...Simon doesn’t move the needle in any one direction.
I see both sides of this debate. It's not a slam dunk either way.
