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  • huskyhooligan
    huskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,922 Swaye's Wigwam
    AtomicDawg said:

    Beno4Life said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Baseman said:

    FremontTroll said:

    Baseman said:

    sonics1993 said:

    proof said:

    Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?

    Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.
    Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.

    Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).

    He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.

    That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.

    True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
    So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?
    I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.

    If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
    Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.
    And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.

    You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?

    I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape).
    People aren’t talking themselves out of Simon. There is a decent amount of posters that don’t think he is very good and never have. I have no problem either way. I think he is an avg linebacker recruit but we likely are not getting anyone better and I don’t want to be on the phone late drunk dialing Taylor Hindy with an offer.

    By all accounts Simon seems like a really good kid so I hope he has a ton of success.
    YoU uP?
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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    UDubHusky23 said:

    Beno4Life said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Baseman said:

    FremontTroll said:

    Baseman said:

    sonics1993 said:

    proof said:

    Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?

    Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.
    Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.

    Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).

    He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.

    That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.

    True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
    So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?
    I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.

    If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
    Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.
    And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.

    You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?

    I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape).
    LOUDER for the people in the back!

    Have we already forgotten the state of the linebacking room from last season? Give me all the Simons and Banks for this room. Gregory ain't going to attract anything better. This man played fucking Kyler Manu the entire season and coached wellington into regression. Lets stack the room.
    Fuck. That.

    Look, Gregory has fucked the dog in recruiting very recently, and the MLB situation in 2019 was one of the worst things I've seen in purple since Ty, but he turned two different three-stars into All-Americans, and another is on an NFL roster in spite of size challenges. You'll have to show me film of Wellington being awesome before you can credibly claim Gregory coached him into being worse.

    I'm fine for holding coaches accountable, but let's call out failings that are clearly demonstrable, like the last 18 months or so of recruiting.
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  • CheeseDawg
    CheeseDawg Member Posts: 10
    Is Tinae a RB that will split out or he just a WR? I remember a while ago he mentioned they talked to him about RB
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    edited April 2020
    Swaye said:

    Good chit @sonics1993 normally this stuff is in the Wam but I decided to be a benevolent dictator and allow the pours a taste. Also, Derek stopped sending me my drug money allowance due to Covid so this is me acting out.


    Because of this move @sonics1993 is swimming with the fishes
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    FireCohen said:

    Swaye said:

    Good chit @sonics1993 normally this stuff is in the Wam but I decided to be a benevolent dictator and allow the pours a taste. Also, Derek stopped sending me my drug money allowance due to Covid so this is me acting out.


    Because of this move @sonics1993 is swimming with the fishes
    No way. I love me some sonics.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,086
    Swaye said:

    FireCohen said:

    Swaye said:

    Good chit @sonics1993 normally this stuff is in the Wam but I decided to be a benevolent dictator and allow the pours a taste. Also, Derek stopped sending me my drug money allowance due to Covid so this is me acting out.


    Because of this move @sonics1993 is swimming with the fishes
    No way. I love me some sonics.
    @Swaye as much as you love tattooed snatch?
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  • dannarc
    dannarc Member Posts: 2,694
    You really have to hate yourself first, it just opens the door to finding Ms. Desperate/Needy
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,086
    dannarc said:

    You really have to hate yourself first, it just opens the door to finding Ms. Desperate/Needy

    I can vouch for this one.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited April 2020
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Baseman said:

    FremontTroll said:

    Baseman said:

    sonics1993 said:

    proof said:

    Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?

    Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.
    Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.

    Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).

    He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.

    That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.

    True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
    So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?
    I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.

    If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
    Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.
    He has above average speed for LB. (faster than the current roster, except maybe Eddie or Hemuli) Much of his HUDL is @ RB -- NAIA like

    Two guys I trust, twice have clocked him @ mid to upper 4.6's. He doesn't look amazing in space. So what. Our defense needs a WL that can run sideline to sideline, make backside tackles, and cover. That's Simon.

    He's not a .95 TBS darling, overall he looks like a .90. Whatever the case, he fits our defense.

    Gregory dicked around offering, and the offer finally came as a 2 way player, which, as described, he is not. Offer him as a WIL or don't offer @ all.

    In any event, it's another Bob Gregory, El Floppo production.
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  • FKA_Mousecop
    FKA_Mousecop Member Posts: 2,054
    At the end of the day we only truly need 1 inside backer in this class unless there’s some attrition unless we want 14 ILBs on scholarship. As long as we get one really good one like Wynden then that’s okay. Simon doesn’t move the needle in any one direction.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited April 2020
    DoogCourics said:

    Baseman said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Baseman said:

    FremontTroll said:

    Baseman said:

    sonics1993 said:

    proof said:

    Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?

    Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.
    Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.

    Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).

    He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.

    That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.

    True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
    So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?
    I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.

    If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
    Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.
    He has above average speed for LB. (faster than the current roster, except maybe Eddie or Hemuli) Much of his HUDL is @ RB -- NAIA like

    Two guys I trust, twice have clocked him @ mid to upper 4.6's. He doesn't look amazing in space. So what. Our defense needs a WL that can run sideline to sideline, make backside tackles, and cover. That's Simon.

    He's not a .95 TBS darling, overall he looks like a .90. Whatever the case, he fits our defense.

    Gregory dicked around offering, and the offer finally came as a 2 way player, which, as described, he is not. Offer him as a WIL or don't offer @ all.

    In any event, it's another Bob Gregory, El Floppo production.
    I don’t disagree with you on your assessment, in fact I agree. But.... as a recruiting noid on the bored, I gotta address two items.

    Simon wasn’t offered late. He was offered June 22nd of last year. Prior to his Junior year starting. And it was at LB. they didn’t start talking to him about being a RB until now.

    Just for posterity.
    True but don't tell a kid from Tacoma "we need to see you play in person before we offer," when we already had offered out of state '21 kids. Moronic. Great, prioritize better LB's. Don't offer but don't have delusions Simon is a two way player.

    Bob's closing and evaluation record speaks for itself.
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  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited April 2020
    This really doesn't sound like anyone's problem but Simon's. He's not a can't-miss recruit and it shouldn't matter where our talent comes from, as long as we get that talent (which obviously remains to be seen). We just let a fellow local 4* LB walk to Virginia without offering. Why are we not clenching our teeth about that? We offered Simon a year ago and like FKA said, we only really need 1 inside backer. Shit or get off the pot, Julien.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    dnc said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    This really doesn't sound like anyone's problem but Simon's. He's not a can't-miss recruit and it shouldn't matter where our talent comes from, as long as we get that talent (which obviously remains to be seen). We just let a fellow local 4* LB walk to Virginia without offering. Why are we not clenching our teeth about that? We offered Simon a year ago and like FKA said, we only really need 1 inside backer. Shit or get off the pot, Julien.

    He's best friends with the best player in the country, well connected with a plethora of in state talent, and a well above average recruit.

    I'm not for taking scrubs to help get their better frens and teammates.

    Simon's not a scrub and would be in no way a waste of a schools.

    Not getting him because you got outrecruited would be a major failure.

    Not getting him because you didn't want him would be a major failure.

    Get him.
    *scholly
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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    This really doesn't sound like anyone's problem but Simon's. He's not a can't-miss recruit and it shouldn't matter where our talent comes from, as long as we get that talent (which obviously remains to be seen). We just let a fellow local 4* LB walk to Virginia without offering. Why are we not clenching our teeth about that? We offered Simon a year ago and like FKA said, we only really need 1 inside backer. Shit or get off the pot, Julien.

    He's best friends with the best player in the country, well connected with a plethora of in state talent, and a well above average recruit.

    I'm not for taking scrubs to help get their better frens and teammates.

    Simon's not a scrub and would be in no way a waste of a schools.

    Not getting him because you got outrecruited would be a major failure.

    Not getting him because you didn't want him would be a major failure.

    Get him.
    *scholly
    *chin-state
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    dnc said:

    I am not pro Bob at all but I have no problem recruiting Simon as a RB. He is quite capable at the position.

    If he doesn't want to play RB that's fine and you adjust and get him here at LB. But they didn't fuck anything up by suggesting he could play RB. He absolutely could.

    Agree to Disagree. Wasted scholarship as a RB. He's no Shaq or Jack.

    I like the player and a big part of the appeal is the instate influence. If he was out of state and we end up with better, fine. We won't. What about Bob? says we will?
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Baseman said:

    dnc said:

    I am not pro Bob at all but I have no problem recruiting Simon as a RB. He is quite capable at the position.

    If he doesn't want to play RB that's fine and you adjust and get him here at LB. But they didn't fuck anything up by suggesting he could play RB. He absolutely could.

    Agree to Disagree. Wasted scholarship as a RB. He's no Shaq or Jack.

    I like the player and a big part of the appeal is the instate influence. If he was out of state and we end up with better, fine. We won't. What about Bob? says we will?
    I don’t think he’s Shaq or Jack as a RB.

    I don’t think he’s Shaq or Jack as a LB either.

    Those two were elite elite athletes. Jack is good.

    He’s a step or two down from both which still makes him a guy you want.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,086
    RatherBeBrewing said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    dnc said:

    Baseman said:

    dnc said:

    I am not pro Bob at all but I have no problem recruiting Simon as a RB. He is quite capable at the position.

    If he doesn't want to play RB that's fine and you adjust and get him here at LB. But they didn't fuck anything up by suggesting he could play RB. He absolutely could.

    Agree to Disagree. Wasted scholarship as a RB. He's no Shaq or Jack.

    I like the player and a big part of the appeal is the instate influence. If he was out of state and we end up with better, fine. We won't. What about Bob? says we will?
    I don’t think he’s Shaq or Jack as a RB.

    I don’t think he’s Shaq or Jack as a LB either.

    Those two were elite elite athletes. Jack is good.

    He’s a step or two down from both which still makes him a guy you want.

    Ah, so that is how they managed to fit so many people into a truck bed.
    YBPE

    You win the day.
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