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Recruiting Reset
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Have never watched Simon’s tape, but I look forward to his postgame interviews, espousing culture superiority at the expense of Husky football.
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Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs. -
Other than Eason, who would disagree?Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Just thought it was strange how you kept saying how high character Simon is. Figured I’d rather know now if you are biased on this one rather than four years from now after you declare Simon as the savior in his first game at USC, he gets beaten out and benched, transfers home, does fuckall, is drafted in the fourth round, and you blame it on the coach. -
As for our QBs
Sirmon has his issues ... he’s already tried to leave once
Morris is likely Haener plus but he was in-state and pushed hard early ... you win some and lose some doing that
I like Garbers ... but he’s just a true freshman
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Good thing Sam will be on campus for our next football gameTequilla said:As for our QBs
Sirmon has his issues ... he’s already tried to leave once
Morris is likely Haener plus but he was in-state and pushed hard early ... you win some and lose some doing that
I like Garbers ... but he’s just a true freshman
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Good chit @sonics1993 normally this stuff is in the Wam but I decided to be a benevolent dictator and allow the pours a taste. Also, Derek stopped sending me my drug money allowance due to Covid so this is me acting out.
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It goes back to the problem with ranking these guys as freshmen and sophomores and then having to stand by that ranking. These guys see them in a couple camps when they're 15 and say "wow, this guy dominates all the other kids his age. Imagine how good he'll be by the time hes a senior and has learned some technique". The problem is, some guys peak early athletically and some guys never pick up technique, reaction, aggressiveness etc. With the way early prospect rankings are made, and early (noncommitable, but we're watching you) offers are thrown out now, those guys like Biggins and Huffman cant go back and drastically change a guys ranking who never progresses athletically.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Not saying this is 100% true of Simon but is definitely on some people's minds regarding him. In the last 2 cycles there were 2 guys that definitely fit this model that we were recfuiting early and then backed off (along with many other schools)in the LB Tufano from Hawaii and Banks from last year. -
There’s also an inherent bias when evaluating anything you had a preconceived notion of. When the pro TBSers rank a guy high early, they’ll naturally look for reasons to validate that assessment going forward instead of reasons to change their mind. They aren’t as hesitant to bump up late bloomers as they are to downgrade guys who peaked earlybananasnblondes said:
It goes back to the problem with ranking these guys as freshmen and sophomores and then having to stand by that ranking. These guys see them in a couple camps when they're 15 and say "wow, this guy dominates all the other kids his age. Imagine how good he'll be by the time hes a senior and has learned some technique". The problem is, some guys peak early athletically and some guys never pick up technique, reaction, aggressiveness etc. With the way early prospect rankings are made, and early (noncommitable, but we're watching you) offers are thrown out now, those guys like Biggins and Huffman cant go back and drastically change a guys ranking who never progresses athletically.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Not saying this is 100% true of Simon but is definitely on some people's minds regarding him. In the last 2 cycles there were 2 guys that definitely fit this model that we were recfuiting early and then backed off (along with many other schools)in the LB Tufano from Hawaii and Banks from last year. -
And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?
I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape). -
People aren’t talking themselves out of Simon. There is a decent amount of posters that don’t think he is very good and never have. I have no problem either way. I think he is an avg linebacker recruit but we likely are not getting anyone better and I don’t want to be on the phone late drunk dialing Taylor Hindy with an offer.Beno4Life said:
And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?
I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape).
By all accounts Simon seems like a really good kid so I hope he has a ton of success.
