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sonics1993
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List of players they are going after and where they stand. It’s still early but this is where they stand for the dead period:
– QB: Sam Huard committed and done at the position for now
– RB: Byron Cardwell is the top RB on the board right now and we are in his top two with Cal. Expect his recruitment to go into the fall. The other three RB's on the board is Jordan Hornbeak and we are in the top three for him, Julien Simon who probably commits to USC next month and Tavierre Dunlap who is wide open right now.
- WR: Emaka, Xavier Worthy, Troy, Alexander and Tinae are the five WR's being recruited right now. Clemson and Ohio State lead for Emeka but he's still in regular contact with us, has a strong relationship with Junior, and is going to go deep into the fall so there's still hope. In the top two for Troy Franklin with Oregon and I still like where we at. Xavier Worthy is visiting the fall and we are in his top three. I like where we stand with him right now and I believe Junior will close him. Put on the Wigwam board a few weeks back that Junior Alexander was playing games with Washington and I didn't think he was coming her and I still believe that. I think he goes out of state. Lead for Jabex Tinae and expect him to commit soon. I'm personally not a fan but people tell me he's good.
- TE: Have Cadden Jumper committed here. Moliki Matavao decides next month and Georgia currently leads. The key is who commits first to Georgia between him and Bowers. Still have to overcome UCLA and Oregon for him as well though so a lot of ground to make up with not a lot of time left. Not in Terrance Ferguson's top five, still in contact with Lake McRee but need to get him on campus to have a realistic shot. In contact with Erik Olsen and Gunnar Helm but not clear where we stand. Also in contact with Quentin Moore whose family is pushing him here but hear we are not is his top three right now.
- OL: Lead for Owen Prentice and should close him soon. In contact with Bram Walden, Jonah Miller and Josh Simmons but trail for all three.
- DT: Got two DT commit with Voi Tunuufi and Kuao Peihopa. Only other take at DT is JT who Ohio State clearly leads for but there is time as he won't decide until February (hopefully).
- DE: In a good spot for Quintin Somerville and need to get him on campus to close but I like where were at. Stanford leads for Derek Wilkins but we are in his top five so still a chance. Recruiting Nathan Rawlins-Kibonge heavily but not clear where we stand right now. He will take his officials in the fall so still time with him. In contact with Isaac Vaha but trail for him. He is not high on the board right now.
Buck: In the top two for Logan Fano with Utah but I trust Malloe to close him. In the top three with Maurice Heims and think we close when he gets on campus if he's still a take,
ILB: Top target is Wynden Ho'ohuli who we must close and sit in a good spot but there is heavy competition for him right now. Trail UCLA and USC for Calvert and expect him to go to USC. Not in contact with Easton Mascarenas right now but he is a fall back option if we miss on Wyden. In contact with Trey Reynolds but hear Utah, WSU and UCLA are his top three.
DB: Have one commit with Zakhari Spears who can play corner or safety. Trail USC, ASU and Ohio State for Jaylin Davies who is the top corner on the board. In the top three for Philip Riley who is all over the place. He has almost committed to Minnesota and Virginia Tech in the last few weeks so needless to say he's unpredictable. We were doing well with JD Coffey but hearing Texas has put on the pressure and taken the lead. He loves our staff and the program but distance is a big problem and is going to be tough to over come. In a good spot for Denzel Burke but heavy competition and still long ways to go for him. Trail USC for Jaylin Smith and need to get him on campus if we want any shot at him.
– QB: Sam Huard committed and done at the position for now
– RB: Byron Cardwell is the top RB on the board right now and we are in his top two with Cal. Expect his recruitment to go into the fall. The other three RB's on the board is Jordan Hornbeak and we are in the top three for him, Julien Simon who probably commits to USC next month and Tavierre Dunlap who is wide open right now.
- WR: Emaka, Xavier Worthy, Troy, Alexander and Tinae are the five WR's being recruited right now. Clemson and Ohio State lead for Emeka but he's still in regular contact with us, has a strong relationship with Junior, and is going to go deep into the fall so there's still hope. In the top two for Troy Franklin with Oregon and I still like where we at. Xavier Worthy is visiting the fall and we are in his top three. I like where we stand with him right now and I believe Junior will close him. Put on the Wigwam board a few weeks back that Junior Alexander was playing games with Washington and I didn't think he was coming her and I still believe that. I think he goes out of state. Lead for Jabex Tinae and expect him to commit soon. I'm personally not a fan but people tell me he's good.
- TE: Have Cadden Jumper committed here. Moliki Matavao decides next month and Georgia currently leads. The key is who commits first to Georgia between him and Bowers. Still have to overcome UCLA and Oregon for him as well though so a lot of ground to make up with not a lot of time left. Not in Terrance Ferguson's top five, still in contact with Lake McRee but need to get him on campus to have a realistic shot. In contact with Erik Olsen and Gunnar Helm but not clear where we stand. Also in contact with Quentin Moore whose family is pushing him here but hear we are not is his top three right now.
- OL: Lead for Owen Prentice and should close him soon. In contact with Bram Walden, Jonah Miller and Josh Simmons but trail for all three.
- DT: Got two DT commit with Voi Tunuufi and Kuao Peihopa. Only other take at DT is JT who Ohio State clearly leads for but there is time as he won't decide until February (hopefully).
- DE: In a good spot for Quintin Somerville and need to get him on campus to close but I like where were at. Stanford leads for Derek Wilkins but we are in his top five so still a chance. Recruiting Nathan Rawlins-Kibonge heavily but not clear where we stand right now. He will take his officials in the fall so still time with him. In contact with Isaac Vaha but trail for him. He is not high on the board right now.
Buck: In the top two for Logan Fano with Utah but I trust Malloe to close him. In the top three with Maurice Heims and think we close when he gets on campus if he's still a take,
ILB: Top target is Wynden Ho'ohuli who we must close and sit in a good spot but there is heavy competition for him right now. Trail UCLA and USC for Calvert and expect him to go to USC. Not in contact with Easton Mascarenas right now but he is a fall back option if we miss on Wyden. In contact with Trey Reynolds but hear Utah, WSU and UCLA are his top three.
DB: Have one commit with Zakhari Spears who can play corner or safety. Trail USC, ASU and Ohio State for Jaylin Davies who is the top corner on the board. In the top three for Philip Riley who is all over the place. He has almost committed to Minnesota and Virginia Tech in the last few weeks so needless to say he's unpredictable. We were doing well with JD Coffey but hearing Texas has put on the pressure and taken the lead. He loves our staff and the program but distance is a big problem and is going to be tough to over come. In a good spot for Denzel Burke but heavy competition and still long ways to go for him. Trail USC for Jaylin Smith and need to get him on campus if we want any shot at him.
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Thanks for the update @sonics1993
Appreciate all you do with the sneak-peeks!
Have you heard of JTT has cut off communication with UW like Ruth is alluding to on her website? -
At one point UW did have a hard time reaching him but it has gotten better. Problem with JT is his family is close to the Gee family which has allowed Gee Sr to get in there ears and his best friend Julien Simon is going to USC and is mad at UW so not a great situation for UW to be in.UDubHusky23 said:Thanks for the update @sonics1993
Appreciate all you do with the sneak-peeks!
Have you heard of JTT has cut off communication with UW like Ruth is alluding to on her website? -
Is Julien mad at UW because we as a whole are not showing love or because Gregory isn't treating him as a prioritysonics1993 said:
At one point UW did have a hard time reaching him but it has gotten better. Problem with JT is his family is close to the Gee family which has allowed Gee Sr to get in there ears and his best friend Julien Simon is going to USC and is mad at UW so not a great situation for UW to be in.UDubHusky23 said:Thanks for the update @sonics1993
Appreciate all you do with the sneak-peeks!
Have you heard of JTT has cut off communication with UW like Ruth is alluding to on her website? -
Gregory not treating him as a priority and then switching him from LB to RB last month didn't stand to well with him either. He likes Jimmy though.UDubHusky23 said:
Is Julien mad at UW because we as a whole are not showing love or because Gregory isn't treating him as a prioritysonics1993 said:
At one point UW did have a hard time reaching him but it has gotten better. Problem with JT is his family is close to the Gee family which has allowed Gee Sr to get in there ears and his best friend Julien Simon is going to USC and is mad at UW so not a great situation for UW to be in.UDubHusky23 said:Thanks for the update @sonics1993
Appreciate all you do with the sneak-peeks!
Have you heard of JTT has cut off communication with UW like Ruth is alluding to on her website? -
RB? what in the hell?sonics1993 said:
Gregory not treating him as a priority and then switching him from LB to RB last month didn't stand to well with him either. He likes Jimmy though.UDubHusky23 said:
Is Julien mad at UW because we as a whole are not showing love or because Gregory isn't treating him as a prioritysonics1993 said:
At one point UW did have a hard time reaching him but it has gotten better. Problem with JT is his family is close to the Gee family which has allowed Gee Sr to get in there ears and his best friend Julien Simon is going to USC and is mad at UW so not a great situation for UW to be in.UDubHusky23 said:Thanks for the update @sonics1993
Appreciate all you do with the sneak-peeks!
Have you heard of JTT has cut off communication with UW like Ruth is alluding to on her website?
No wonder the change in heart. When they switch up positions like this does Jimmy have a say?
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Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
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Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
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watch them take a lower rated ILB late in the cyclesonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
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I will never ever understand Jimmy's blind spot in retaining Gregory. Whether it was his recruiting and/or coaching deficiencies, it seemed like you couldn't have any more of an exclamation-point-type nail-in-the-coffin performance than last year's LB play.
That said, why risk not signing him at all with this RB talk?
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@sonics1993 Where do things stand with Will Latu? Have we cooled on him?
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Yes they have. He gained too much weight and doesn't fit anywhere.DeepDawg said:@sonics1993 Where do things stand with Will Latu? Have we cooled on him?
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Please rank the following 4* recruits from Washington statesonics1993 said:
Yes they have. He gained too much weight and doesn't fit anywhere.DeepDawg said:@sonics1993 Where do things stand with Will Latu? Have we cooled on him?
-Joel Dublanko
-Justus Legg
-Will Latu
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This was a fantastic unintentional joke. Well done.sonics1993 said:
Yes they have. He gained too much weight and doesn't fit anywhere.DeepDawg said:@sonics1993 Where do things stand with Will Latu? Have we cooled on him?
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Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
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So if they actually sign Wyden, we're all getting pissed over nothing?sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
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But, but, but JTT! Wouldn't want to make his bestest fwiend angwy.1to392831weretaken said:
So if they actually sign Wyden, we're all getting pissed over nothing?sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
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He doesn’t look very fast. He does look like he can play in coverage. I really think he’s JAG tho.Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden. -
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden. -
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs. -
Probably a bit early to make that proclamation. All 3 were highly rated out of high school. I know you're response will be, "if they were any good, why were we looking at transfers?"Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
The answer - Because that's what the big boys do, and, God-willing, someday we'll be big boys again. -
Have never watched Simon’s tape, but I look forward to his postgame interviews, espousing culture superiority at the expense of Husky football.
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Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs. -
Other than Eason, who would disagree?Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Just thought it was strange how you kept saying how high character Simon is. Figured I’d rather know now if you are biased on this one rather than four years from now after you declare Simon as the savior in his first game at USC, he gets beaten out and benched, transfers home, does fuckall, is drafted in the fourth round, and you blame it on the coach. -
As for our QBs
Sirmon has his issues ... he’s already tried to leave once
Morris is likely Haener plus but he was in-state and pushed hard early ... you win some and lose some doing that
I like Garbers ... but he’s just a true freshman
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Good thing Sam will be on campus for our next football gameTequilla said:As for our QBs
Sirmon has his issues ... he’s already tried to leave once
Morris is likely Haener plus but he was in-state and pushed hard early ... you win some and lose some doing that
I like Garbers ... but he’s just a true freshman
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Good chit @sonics1993 normally this stuff is in the Wam but I decided to be a benevolent dictator and allow the pours a taste. Also, Derek stopped sending me my drug money allowance due to Covid so this is me acting out.
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It goes back to the problem with ranking these guys as freshmen and sophomores and then having to stand by that ranking. These guys see them in a couple camps when they're 15 and say "wow, this guy dominates all the other kids his age. Imagine how good he'll be by the time hes a senior and has learned some technique". The problem is, some guys peak early athletically and some guys never pick up technique, reaction, aggressiveness etc. With the way early prospect rankings are made, and early (noncommitable, but we're watching you) offers are thrown out now, those guys like Biggins and Huffman cant go back and drastically change a guys ranking who never progresses athletically.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Not saying this is 100% true of Simon but is definitely on some people's minds regarding him. In the last 2 cycles there were 2 guys that definitely fit this model that we were recfuiting early and then backed off (along with many other schools)in the LB Tufano from Hawaii and Banks from last year. -
There’s also an inherent bias when evaluating anything you had a preconceived notion of. When the pro TBSers rank a guy high early, they’ll naturally look for reasons to validate that assessment going forward instead of reasons to change their mind. They aren’t as hesitant to bump up late bloomers as they are to downgrade guys who peaked earlybananasnblondes said:
It goes back to the problem with ranking these guys as freshmen and sophomores and then having to stand by that ranking. These guys see them in a couple camps when they're 15 and say "wow, this guy dominates all the other kids his age. Imagine how good he'll be by the time hes a senior and has learned some technique". The problem is, some guys peak early athletically and some guys never pick up technique, reaction, aggressiveness etc. With the way early prospect rankings are made, and early (noncommitable, but we're watching you) offers are thrown out now, those guys like Biggins and Huffman cant go back and drastically change a guys ranking who never progresses athletically.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
Not saying this is 100% true of Simon but is definitely on some people's minds regarding him. In the last 2 cycles there were 2 guys that definitely fit this model that we were recfuiting early and then backed off (along with many other schools)in the LB Tufano from Hawaii and Banks from last year. -
And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?
I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape). -
People aren’t talking themselves out of Simon. There is a decent amount of posters that don’t think he is very good and never have. I have no problem either way. I think he is an avg linebacker recruit but we likely are not getting anyone better and I don’t want to be on the phone late drunk dialing Taylor Hindy with an offer.Beno4Life said:
And here we are, where we're actually talking ourselves OUT of signing Simon. My god were clueless. Not quite Gregory level but close.RoadDawg55 said:
Not being physical in high school when playing LB is a problem. He’s not very fast either and he’s close to maxed out. I’m not sure how you can watch his Hudl and think he’s that good, but the 24/7 guys do too.Baseman said:
I prefer good Power 5 prospects. Fewer Jake Haeners. Less Kyler Manu. More Simons. More Eason.FremontTroll said:
So on a scale from 1 to Eason how closely related to Simon are you?Baseman said:
Stupid. Not only is Gregory an awful recruiter, he's a poor evaluator.sonics1993 said:
Yeah they brought it up to him a couple months ago since they only want to take one ILB and want it to be Wyden. They tried to sell it as you can be the next Myles Jack and play both sides but he didn’t buy it.proof said:Julien being recruited as RB? Is that one of many reasons he's not feeling us?
Simon is better fit. He's faster, more athletic, has great instincts and well above average in coverage (a must in our defense).
He has more upside than Bieria and can stay on the field in lieu of a 6th DB in dime packages.
That doesn't include his intangibles. Smart kid. Excels in the classroom. Strong value system learned from good parents. Had we pursued him, he likely would have committed early and bolstered recruiting.
True, he's not a thumper but we have enough of those on the roster now. He won't make the highlight hit or plug the middle. He does, however, pursue well; he doesn't miss tackles and would fit well playing alongside Calvert or Hemuli. Simon is not a 95+ ILB, more like a strong 90. I'd rather have him than Wyden.
If Malloe, Huff, Adam, or Jimmy the DB pass on a player, fine. Bob Gregory sucks. Just like our currently rostered QBs.
You ever think that coaches look at his lack of development due to high school coaching/scheme/training rather than the dude has the size and instincts and we just need to get him in a real college football development/training program and see what happens?
I'd take a million Simons and Banks over Phonzo Tupatalu, Cooper McDonald, Jackson Sirmon, or even MJ Tafisi (and I'm basing that off of HS tape).
By all accounts Simon seems like a really good kid so I hope he has a ton of success.
