What grade would you give Scott Woodward as a football AD?
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When I was interviewing people for my Willingham book, several players told me that Woodward and Jen Cohn in the athletic department were apologizing profusely throughout the 2008 season for Willingham's behavior toward the players. But they were scared to not let him finish out the season for fear of being called racist. I don't know for 100% sure, but I do believe that it was an edict handed down by Emmert.HoustonHusky said:D
Positives:
Stadium...hadn't seen it but the response has been positive.
Wasn't sold on Peterman considering the last 2 Boise St. coaches that moved on, but coming around.
Negatives:
Hired Sark for outrageous sums of unnecessary money in 2008...absolutely idiotic hire at the time, and even dumber considering how much he paid him.
Extended Sark in 2010 for even larger sums of money after a 7-6 season.
Put up with Sark's crap for 5 years.
Paid Nick Holt god knows how much money for being incompetent.
Part of the group of ADs that brought in Utah and Colorado (per his bio) to the Pac 10.
Was acting AD starting in Jan '08, full-time AD starting Sept '08, yet Ty still had a job till the end of Oct @ when everyone and their mother saw it was a cluster from year 1 (2005). The team quit on Ty from day 1 of that season, yet little Woody either didn't see it or knew and didn't act on it. Either case is damning to him.
Number of Rose Bowls in his tenure: 0
Number of Top 20 finishes in his tenure: 0
Number of times we have finished winless in a season under him: 1 (first time in Pac since '80 Beavers?)
Win baby...we do that and he might start looking better. If not maybe he can be a stunt double for Peter Dinklage on Game of Thrones.
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That may explain part of it for some (not me...just shows he doesn't have the balls for the job if he thought he should fire him but didn't do everything he could to do it), but it does not explain the absolutely bizarre decision of firing Ty while still letting him coach out the season. And if he did know how bad it was and was apologizing to everybody for it then its an even more damning fact.DerekJohnson said:
When I was interviewing people for my Willingham book, several players told me that Woodward and Jen Cohn in the athletic department were apologizing profusely throughout the 2008 season for Willingham's behavior toward the players. But they were scared to not let him finish out the season for fear of being called racist. I don't know for 100% sure, but I do believe that it was an edict handed down by Emmert.HoustonHusky said:D
Positives:
Stadium...hadn't seen it but the response has been positive.
Wasn't sold on Peterman considering the last 2 Boise St. coaches that moved on, but coming around.
Negatives:
Hired Sark for outrageous sums of unnecessary money in 2008...absolutely idiotic hire at the time, and even dumber considering how much he paid him.
Extended Sark in 2010 for even larger sums of money after a 7-6 season.
Put up with Sark's crap for 5 years.
Paid Nick Holt god knows how much money for being incompetent.
Part of the group of ADs that brought in Utah and Colorado (per his bio) to the Pac 10.
Was acting AD starting in Jan '08, full-time AD starting Sept '08, yet Ty still had a job till the end of Oct @ when everyone and their mother saw it was a cluster from year 1 (2005). The team quit on Ty from day 1 of that season, yet little Woody either didn't see it or knew and didn't act on it. Either case is damning to him.
Number of Rose Bowls in his tenure: 0
Number of Top 20 finishes in his tenure: 0
Number of times we have finished winless in a season under him: 1 (first time in Pac since '80 Beavers?)
Win baby...we do that and he might start looking better. If not maybe he can be a stunt double for Peter Dinklage on Game of Thrones.
-HH
He followed that up by overpaying for a college coordinator that he couldn't even convince to start working for 3 or 4 weeks, and we became his training gig for the type of jobs he really wanted (anyone really surprised Sark bolted and really thought he was going to be here for 20 years? I'm in the minority here, but I think he's going to do ok at USC...we were his training school. He should have learned a lot of what to do and not do while he was here...I'm actually kinda interested to see if any of it stuck).
Piss-poor managing by Pool Boy...its a big hole to climb out of. But hey, we win a Rose Bowl and I'll change my tune.
-HH
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I've long felt this to be the case as well.HoustonHusky said:
That may explain part of it for some (not me...just shows he doesn't have the balls for the job if he thought he should fire him but didn't do everything he could to do it), but it does not explain the absolutely bizarre decision of firing Ty while still letting him coach out the season. And if he did know how bad it was and was apologizing to everybody for it then its an even more damning fact.DerekJohnson said:
When I was interviewing people for my Willingham book, several players told me that Woodward and Jen Cohn in the athletic department were apologizing profusely throughout the 2008 season for Willingham's behavior toward the players. But they were scared to not let him finish out the season for fear of being called racist. I don't know for 100% sure, but I do believe that it was an edict handed down by Emmert.HoustonHusky said:D
Positives:
Stadium...hadn't seen it but the response has been positive.
Wasn't sold on Peterman considering the last 2 Boise St. coaches that moved on, but coming around.
Negatives:
Hired Sark for outrageous sums of unnecessary money in 2008...absolutely idiotic hire at the time, and even dumber considering how much he paid him.
Extended Sark in 2010 for even larger sums of money after a 7-6 season.
Put up with Sark's crap for 5 years.
Paid Nick Holt god knows how much money for being incompetent.
Part of the group of ADs that brought in Utah and Colorado (per his bio) to the Pac 10.
Was acting AD starting in Jan '08, full-time AD starting Sept '08, yet Ty still had a job till the end of Oct @ when everyone and their mother saw it was a cluster from year 1 (2005). The team quit on Ty from day 1 of that season, yet little Woody either didn't see it or knew and didn't act on it. Either case is damning to him.
Number of Rose Bowls in his tenure: 0
Number of Top 20 finishes in his tenure: 0
Number of times we have finished winless in a season under him: 1 (first time in Pac since '80 Beavers?)
Win baby...we do that and he might start looking better. If not maybe he can be a stunt double for Peter Dinklage on Game of Thrones.
-HH
He followed that up by overpaying for a college coordinator that he couldn't even convince to start working for 3 or 4 weeks, and we became his training gig for the type of jobs he really wanted (anyone really surprised Sark bolted and really thought he was going to be here for 20 years? I'm in the minority here, but I think he's going to do ok at USC...we were his training school. He should have learned a lot of what to do and not do while he was here...I'm actually kinda interested to see if any of it stuck).
Piss-poor managing by Pool Boy...its a big hole to climb out of. But hey, we win a Rose Bowl and I'll change my tune.
-HH
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I wasn't disagreeing with your entire argument, but merely pointing out an important detail that I believe you had wrong.HoustonHusky said:
That may explain part of it for some (not me...just shows he doesn't have the balls for the job if he thought he should fire him but didn't do everything he could to do it), but it does not explain the absolutely bizarre decision of firing Ty while still letting him coach out the season. And if he did know how bad it was and was apologizing to everybody for it then its an even more damning fact.DerekJohnson said:
When I was interviewing people for my Willingham book, several players told me that Woodward and Jen Cohn in the athletic department were apologizing profusely throughout the 2008 season for Willingham's behavior toward the players. But they were scared to not let him finish out the season for fear of being called racist. I don't know for 100% sure, but I do believe that it was an edict handed down by Emmert.HoustonHusky said:D
Positives:
Stadium...hadn't seen it but the response has been positive.
Wasn't sold on Peterman considering the last 2 Boise St. coaches that moved on, but coming around.
Negatives:
Hired Sark for outrageous sums of unnecessary money in 2008...absolutely idiotic hire at the time, and even dumber considering how much he paid him.
Extended Sark in 2010 for even larger sums of money after a 7-6 season.
Put up with Sark's crap for 5 years.
Paid Nick Holt god knows how much money for being incompetent.
Part of the group of ADs that brought in Utah and Colorado (per his bio) to the Pac 10.
Was acting AD starting in Jan '08, full-time AD starting Sept '08, yet Ty still had a job till the end of Oct @ when everyone and their mother saw it was a cluster from year 1 (2005). The team quit on Ty from day 1 of that season, yet little Woody either didn't see it or knew and didn't act on it. Either case is damning to him.
Number of Rose Bowls in his tenure: 0
Number of Top 20 finishes in his tenure: 0
Number of times we have finished winless in a season under him: 1 (first time in Pac since '80 Beavers?)
Win baby...we do that and he might start looking better. If not maybe he can be a stunt double for Peter Dinklage on Game of Thrones.
-HH
He followed that up by overpaying for a college coordinator that he couldn't even convince to start working for 3 or 4 weeks, and we became his training gig for the type of jobs he really wanted (anyone really surprised Sark bolted and really thought he was going to be here for 20 years? I'm in the minority here, but I think he's going to do ok at USC...we were his training school. He should have learned a lot of what to do and not do while he was here...I'm actually kinda interested to see if any of it stuck).
Piss-poor managing by Pool Boy...its a big hole to climb out of. But hey, we win a Rose Bowl and I'll change my tune.
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BI think pinning Ty on Woodward is a bit unfair.
Remember Ty was retained by Emmert not Woodward and Derek in his book has quoted Woodward as saying he would have fired Ty.
Woodward was just an interim AD then became the real AD in August of 2008. He walked into a shitty situation that his boss handed him. He had no AD experience prior so he probably didn't handle the Ty firing well(Once you announce he's fired don't let him coach anymore) as he was inexperienced.
Now if you want to argue he should have never been hired that is a fair argument but that's not to be put on Woodward. I think Woodward has grown into a good football AD over the last few years. He still has his warts but stealing Petersen will be his legacy.
He allowed Sark to leave to a rival school and came out looking like a genius in the process. He deserves credit for that. -
BNot really that related to whether Woodward is a good AD or not, but did he offer Mora the job before Petersen? Or was Petersen actually the #1 the whole time?
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I don't know if we'll ever know for sure but if I had to guess Mora was option #1. In Derek's book about Ty in that book Woodward said he went to Mora first before he declined then he settled on Sark.RoadDawg55 said:Not really that related to whether Woodward is a good AD or not, but did he offer Mora the job before Petersen? Or was Petersen actually the #1 the whole time?
I don't know if you can ever prove it but I do believe the rumors that Woodward met with Mora when UW played UCLA that week has some truth to it. I don't know if those two directly talked but I bet Woodward spoke to a representative of Mora that week. -
AI bet Mora was definitely #1 but they probably had Petersen as #1b, thinking Mora would be hard to get. I wonder if Nussmeier was really #3 or just a smoke screen.
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I never believed the Nussmeier rumor. There was no way we would stoop that low. Woodward knew he had to get someone. You would think that was common sense. You don't hire a coordinator when you are a legitimate top 25 team.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I bet Mora was definitely #1 but they probably had Petersen as #1b, thinking Mora would be hard to get. I wonder if Nussmeier was really #3 or just a smoke screen.
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I don't believe it either as Woodward would have put himself on the hot seat. You can't let your head coach leave to your rival and hire another coordinator. That is WSU status right there.RoadDawg55 said:
I never believed the Nussmeier rumor. There was no way we would stoop that low. Woodward knew he had to get someone. You would think that was common sense. You don't hire a coordinator when you are a legitimate top 25 team.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I bet Mora was definitely #1 but they probably had Petersen as #1b, thinking Mora would be hard to get. I wonder if Nussmeier was really #3 or just a smoke screen.
It's still laughable that Kim would rather have had an OC who was let go of his OC duties to be head coach over a guy who is 92-12. Yet that little sack of shit has the gall to say we have the agenda even though his only fucking question to Petersen was about access.
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