Scott Brooks = shit coach
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He's Mike Brown 2.0, inflated record because he happens to coach one of the best talents this game has seen. Just like Mike Brown you never bet on a shitty coach to win a title ever.
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Mike Brown is a great comparison. I got fooled on him.
All the talking heads are saying the exact same things now about Brooks that they said about Brown. He gets guys to buy in, great defensive coach, blah blah blah. Any coach with Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook and Sefalosha is going to have a great defense. Vinny Del Negro could coach these guys to a top 5 defense.
Your offense can't be "hey KD and Russ go do something". And you can't play Perkins 27 minutes. 27 minutes 4 points and 4 rebounds. Reggie Jackson had 3 rebounds in 13 minutes and Perk has a foot on him. -
The best part is Perkins should have had 2 points and 3 rebounds but Brooks is a moron who had him on the floor when you were down two with less than 10 seconds to go. Now Brooks feels vindicated by that moronic move and will continue to trot him out there 25+ minutes.allpurpleallgold said:Mike Brown is a great comparison. I got fooled on him.
All the talking heads are saying the exact same things now about Brooks that they said about Brown. He gets guys to buy in, great defensive coach, blah blah blah. Any coach with Durant, Ibaka, Westbrook and Sefalosha is going to have a great defense. Vinny Del Negro could coach these guys to a top 5 defense.
Your offense can't be "hey KD and Russ go do something". And you can't play Perkins 27 minutes. 27 minutes 4 points and 4 rebounds. Reggie Jackson had 3 rebounds in 13 minutes and Perk has a foot on him.
They really have no offense either. If KD or Russ goes down(like last year) they can't score at all. It reminds me of Lebron days at Cleveland with Brown where the coach just expects his star to bail him out time and time again. -
I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
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I would have fired him for the 53rd time at midcourt last night.
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They're missing Harden now.
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If you fire Scott Brooks, who do you have to replace him? That's what I thought
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HRYKRon_Fairly said:If you fire Scott Brooks, who do you have to replace him? That's what I thought
All the good coaches have CONTRACTS.
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You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
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Not saying that Brooks isn't a problem (combined with cheap ownership that has not built a strong supporting cast around Durant/Westbrook) ... but Westbrook is the #2 option on that team and a damn good one at that. But you live and die with what Durant gives you.
Under a minute to go in regulation last night and Westbrook pounds the ball in the same spot and then jacks up a stand still 3 that he bricks. At no point in the possession did he ever look at giving up the ball.
Too often in big games Westbrook shoots as often as Durant - it should be slightly tilted to Durant's favor as he's generally the more efficient scorer. Durant averaged 1.54 points per shot attempt this year - which is right with LBJ for most efficient scorer in the game (just looking at guys that score/shoot a lot). In contrast, Westbrook was at 1.27 this season. It would be fair to cite that Westbrook was injured this year and that his numbers were down as a result. Last year, Durant averaged 1.59 points per shot attempt. Prior to last season, his rate was in the 1.4-1.5 range for the 3 seasons prior to that (in other words, KD is getting even more effective as a scorer). Westbrook last year was at 1.24 points per shot attempt. In fact, Westbrook's scoring rate per shot attempt this year is more or less inline with his numbers from his 3rd season forward.
Again, Westbrook is a great player and you've got a good shot to win big if he's your 2nd best player. But he also needs to understand who he is, what his strengths are, and just as importantly, who he plays with and his strengths. Combined they jacked 56 shots last night split evenly at 28 shots. Hard not to think that if the split was more in the neighborhood of 32 to 24 that Durant finds a way to score a few more points and then they pull out the victory.
You can mark my words on this ... as long as Westbrook doesn't understand that KD is where the focus of the offense should be at a disproportionate rate and accepts his role of dominating games for stretches when KD is either on the bench or taking a "rest" on the court, they will NOT win a title. -
I agree with Tequilla about RW thinking he is as good as Kevin Durant. That shot at the end of regulation SUCKED last night and it is something that RW has done over his career. Kevin Durant needs to be taking that shot and it's not even a question.
Westbrook eats up too many of Durant's shots. However, the Thunder would not be nearly as good without Russell. He just needs to remember at critical points in the game that he is playing with the league MVP.
Scott Brooks is still much much more of the problem than RW. I wouldn't consider Westbrook much of a problem but he just needs to learn that he shouldn't be taking so many of these critical moment shots. -
Many talk about Harden leaving OKC as this horrible thing for them - not the case at all. Durant is more than capable of eating up those shots and scoring at a high rate (which Harden does as well). With Harden on the roster, what you'd end up getting is 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 ... that actually is relatively easy to defend (see the '77 NBA Finals for a history lesson on that).
The biggest miss for OKC is that they haven't surrounded the roster with much talent that can take the load off of Durant and Westbrook to help make them more efficient. -
For those bashing on Westbrook you gotta remember only he and Durant can score down the stretch. Look I'm not a big Westbrook guy and down the stretch Durant needs to shoot more. I also think Westbrook should avoid jacking up seven three pointers as he isn't a great three point shooter.
However, there is no Harden and his idiot coach insists on trotting Perkins and Safolosha out there on crunch time so they are playing 3 on 5. Ibaka is good at getting tip ins and jumpers but can't create his own shot.
For Barkley to say a PG should only shoot 10-15 times I get that but they don't have the pieces around them. Brooks is terrible at calling up plays too. It's literally "Okay Durant or Westbrook go bail me out now, I won't draw up any sets to give you a decent look".
They totally remind me of watching those Lebron Cleveland teams led by Mike Brown. Sure in the regular season that is fine but in the postseason against top tier coaches they are very easy to defend.
Durant and Westbrook are by far and away the best 1-2 punch in the league which is a recipe for multiple titles. With Brooks I doubt they even win one. I can't think of one crappy coach who has won a title in the last 25 years. -
Thunder won't win a title because they have a bad coach and terrible roster construction after the top 3 guys. Yes, Westbrook takes some bad shots, but you are talking about isolated plays. Durant's the one who gave the ball up in the final 10 seconds. That's not Westbrook's fault. Last year, when the Thunder lost 4-1 to the Grizzlies should have shut up the Westbrook bullshit. They need him to do his thing, and part of that, is living with some reckless play and poor shot selection.
The Thunder rely on Perkins, Sefolosha, Caron Butler, and Derek Fisher. Those are some shitty players getting playing time, especially Perkins, Butler, and Fisher. Tough to win a title with those guys playing good minutes. Scott BrooksFS barely even played Reggie Jackson, the only role player worth a shit on the entire team. -
This is completely bullshit. With Harden that is just another guy who can take over. Also it would be harder to double up Durant when you have Harden, Ibaka and Westbrook on the floor.Tequilla said:Many talk about Harden leaving OKC as this horrible thing for them - not the case at all. Durant is more than capable of eating up those shots and scoring at a high rate (which Harden does as well). With Harden on the roster, what you'd end up getting is 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 ... that actually is relatively easy to defend (see the '77 NBA Finals for a history lesson on that).
The biggest miss for OKC is that they haven't surrounded the roster with much talent that can take the load off of Durant and Westbrook to help make them more efficient.
Also getting three studs is the recipe to success. Bird-Mchale-Parrish , Magic-Kareem-Worthy, Duncan-Parker-Ginoboli, Lebron-Wade-Bosh. The only time you don't need three studs is if you have two great players one of which is by far and away the best player in the game in Shaq-Kobe or Michael-Pippen. Even Michael-Pippen had a Grant or Rodman. -
Agreed they won't win 1 with Brooks. Westbrook does need to learn how to take a back seat later in games when they need some big buckets. If you insist on scoring then at least use your speed and crazy athleticism to drive it inside to get a better mid range shot or a chance of finishing at the rim. It's the shit he does like bringing the playclock down to 5 seconds and forcing up a 3 pointer when down late in the game that needs to stop.He_Needs_More_Time said:For those bashing on Westbrook you gotta remember only he and Durant can score down the stretch. Look I'm not a big Westbrook guy and down the stretch Durant needs to shoot more. I also think Westbrook should avoid jacking up seven three pointers as he isn't a great three point shooter.
However, there is no Harden and his idiot coach insists on trotting Perkins and Safolosha out there on crunch time so they are playing 3 on 5. Ibaka is good at getting tip ins and jumpers but can't create his own shot.
For Barkley to say a PG should only shoot 10-15 times I get that but they don't have the pieces around them. Brooks is terrible at calling up plays too. It's literally "Okay Durant or Westbrook go bail me out now, I won't draw up any sets to give you a decent look".
They totally remind me of watching those Lebron Cleveland teams led by Mike Brown. Sure in the regular season that is fine but in the postseason against top tier coaches they are very easy to defend.
Durant and Westbrook are by far and away the best 1-2 punch in the league which is a recipe for multiple titles. With Brooks I doubt they even win one. I can't think of one crappy coach who has won a title in the last 25 years. -
Just stop. Losing a top 10 player is never okay. Harden was also a great secondary ball handler. It was a big deal and they could have had a dynasty if they just would have paid him. They didn't get anything good in return either.Tequilla said:Many talk about Harden leaving OKC as this horrible thing for them - not the case at all. Durant is more than capable of eating up those shots and scoring at a high rate (which Harden does as well). With Harden on the roster, what you'd end up getting is 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 ... that actually is relatively easy to defend (see the '77 NBA Finals for a history lesson on that).
The biggest miss for OKC is that they haven't surrounded the roster with much talent that can take the load off of Durant and Westbrook to help make them more efficient.
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RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it. -
They don't need another PG. They just need RW to dial it back a bit in the 4th/OT and let Durant take over.salemcoog said:RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it. -
Yea because they looked so damn good in last years playoffs when Westbrook went down. Nearly blowing a 3-0 series lead to Houston then losing in 5 games to a Memphis team who was swept the following round.salemcoog said:RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it.
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Absolutely agree on roster construction - and that falls on Sam Presti.RoadDawg55 said:Thunder won't win a title because they have a bad coach and terrible roster construction after the top 3 guys. Yes, Westbrook takes some bad shots, but you are talking about isolated plays. Durant's the one who gave the ball up in the final 10 seconds. That's not Westbrook's fault. Last year, when the Thunder lost 4-1 to the Grizzlies should have shut up the Westbrook bullshit. They need him to do his thing, and part of that, is living with some reckless play and poor shot selection.
The Thunder rely on Perkins, Sefolosha, Caron Butler, and Derek Fisher. Those are some shitty players getting playing time, especially Perkins, Butler, and Fisher. Tough to win a title with those guys playing good minutes. Scott BrooksFS barely even played Reggie Jackson, the only role player worth a shit on the entire team.
Brooks isn't the greatest of coaches - but at the same time, he's also playing the hand that Presti dealt him ... and the hand that is dealt to him is tied to the fact that they have cheap ass owners that aren't willing to pay the luxury tax in pursuit of a title. -
How are they going to get this PG? Who is the last "true" PG to win a title? Everyone knows Westbrook takes some bad shots and can play out of control. They need a new coach and some better role players and they will win some titles.salemcoog said:RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it.
Put it this way, the Heat have a pretty bad roster after the Big 3. I will take guys 4-10 on the Heat over the Thunder. That's how bad their roster is.
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RoadDawg55 said:
How are they going to get this PG? Who is the last "true" PG to win a title? Everyone knows Westbrook takes some bad shots and can play out of control. They need a new coach and some better role players and they will win some titles.salemcoog said:RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it.
Put it this way, the Heat have a pretty bad roster after the Big 3. I will take guys 4-10 on the Heat over the Thunder. That's how bad their roster is.
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The game of basketball isn't a 1 on 1 game - just doesn't work that way. The biggest flaw with OKC is that they tend to rely on isolations and 1 on 1 play. That just doesn't work at the highest levels. Having Harden on the roster wouldn't fix that and only accentuate the problem because while you can get away with driving/kicking to Durant, that doesn't really work with Westbrook (because it requires him to hit standstill jumpers - not a strength) and Harden thrives as a guy with the ball in his hand. The crime wasn't trading Harden ... the crime was what they got back for him. They could and should have done better.He_Needs_More_Time said:
This is completely bullshit. With Harden that is just another guy who can take over. Also it would be harder to double up Durant when you have Harden, Ibaka and Westbrook on the floor.Tequilla said:Many talk about Harden leaving OKC as this horrible thing for them - not the case at all. Durant is more than capable of eating up those shots and scoring at a high rate (which Harden does as well). With Harden on the roster, what you'd end up getting is 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 ... that actually is relatively easy to defend (see the '77 NBA Finals for a history lesson on that).
The biggest miss for OKC is that they haven't surrounded the roster with much talent that can take the load off of Durant and Westbrook to help make them more efficient.
Also getting three studs is the recipe to success. Bird-Mchale-Parrish , Magic-Kareem-Worthy, Duncan-Parker-Ginoboli, Lebron-Wade-Bosh. The only time you don't need three studs is if you have two great players one of which is by far and away the best player in the game in Shaq-Kobe or Michael-Pippen. Even Michael-Pippen had a Grant or Rodman.
I'm well aware of the concept of the best teams of all time having 3 great players as it's core. But you are missing a very key point in your "recipe for success"
Durant-Westbrook-Harden = 3 perimeter based players
Bird-McHale-Parish = entire front court - controlled the paint and glass
Magic-Kareem-Worthy = PG controlling pace, arguably the best center of all time (w/ Russell), and one of the most underrated forwards in the history of the game that could score on anybody but thrive without having the ball in his hands (all 3 were 6'9" and above)
Duncan-Parker-Ginobili = PG controlling pace, slashing wing that could create a shot at any time and arguably the best PF to ever play the game controlling the paint
LBJ-Wade-Bosh = Possibly the closest of comparisons to Durant-Westbrook-Harden and not even close really in that; LBJ is a dominating player in the paint on both ends; Wade is a slashing wing that is most comfortable going to the hoop and in today's game what he does is comparable to what good post players were able to do in getting to the line; Bosh is a career 19-9 guy playing PF.
Even your bringing up of MJ and Pippen is an issue because even though both were wings, both lived in the paint and on top of that were arguably the most dominant defensive players at their positions in the game - something none of the OKC guys are ever accused of.
OKC bet on Ibaka being the 3rd best player in their group and adding an interior guy to their dominance and he's not that guy.
The best way for OKC to win is to surround KD and Westbrook with a bunch of guys that can hit open jump shots and expose rotation defenses - think about having 1-2 Chandler Parsons types of players on your roster. Ultimately, that's what they should be looking for. -
Trading away a top 10 player in Harden is a big problem. He's another guy who can take the pressure off of Westbrook and Durant. In fact he was basically their PG down the stretch as he'd handle the ball and is a much better creator than Westbrook.
Westbrook also slides into 2 guard which is what he's naturally built for. Getting rid of Harden cost them a title this year and possibly even last year.
They also got NOTHING for Harden. Not one guy from that trade has contributed for them this year and barely last year(Martin sucked in the playoffs).
You forget Harden and Westbrook despite being volume shooters still rack up Assists. They also rack up FT attempts along with Durant meaning every opponent they play would be in foul trouble. -
As long as Westbrook decides that He is the man instead of Durant in close games, they will lose them 3/4 of the time. You can't "take as many bad shots and play as out of control" as he does and win many playoff series. I know if I was Durant, I'd want to see him dealt away.RoadDawg55 said:
How are they going to get this PG? Who is the last "true" PG to win a title? Everyone knows Westbrook takes some bad shots and can play out of control. They need a new coach and some better role players and they will win some titles.salemcoog said:RoadDawg55 said:
You actually believe this? Durant gets plenty of shots. Westbrook has his faults, but he's a great player. Scott Brooks is the problem, not Westbrook.Tequilla said:I'd also like to congratulate Westbrook for dominating the ball when he should give it up to Durant. As long as Westbrook thinks he's as good as Durant and doesn't accept his role, they'll continue to have significant issues.
WestbrookFS is a great talent but has a 5cent brain. The "quality" of shots that he took with plenty of time on the shot clock was criminal EVEN without a KD on your roster. As long as Westbrook continues to think He is the man, the Thunder be struck down.
OKC needs a pg, not another superstar. Not a guy who shoots the ball 3 times as much as the scoring champ on the other side of the court in the 4th and OT. They are and will be better off with Reggie Jackson playing pt. Only because Westbrook doesn't get it.
Put it this way, the Heat have a pretty bad roster after the Big 3. I will take guys 4-10 on the Heat over the Thunder. That's how bad their roster is. -
Last nights game in the 4th quarter. Kevin Durant - 4/4. Russell Westbrook 4/12. That ratio fucking blows especially when the leagues best scorer is hitting every shot including a crazy circus shot and 1 3-pointer.
This won't hurt them against a team like the Grizz, they should still take this series rather easily in 6. Memphis played out of their minds last night to get that win while the Thunder looked like they were on cruise control but just couldn't hit that 1 shot to break the game open, that is going to happen.
However, against a team like the Heat that is going to completely bite them in the ass. This is where a good coach comes in and reminds Russell he didn't win the MVP so he needs to find Durant more at the end of games especially when he is on fire. -
Good post. Let's not forget they made it to the title game, beating a very good San Antonio team in the Western Conference Finals. All three guys (4 with Ibaka) were young, and young teams normally go through bumps before winning it all. How is breaking up a Finals team with the 4 best players all under 24 not a bad thing (directed at Tequilla)? LeBron, Wade, and Bosh were playoff tested and went through their own adversity the year before.He_Needs_More_Time said:Trading away a top 10 player in Harden is a big problem. He's another guy who can take the pressure off of Westbrook and Durant. In fact he was basically their PG down the stretch as he'd handle the ball and is a much better creator than Westbrook.
Westbrook also slides into 2 guard which is what he's naturally built for. Getting rid of Harden cost them a title this year and possibly even last year.
They also got NOTHING for Harden. Not one guy from that trade has contributed for them this year and barely last year(Martin sucked in the playoffs).
You forget Harden and Westbrook despite being volume shooters still rack up Assists. They also rack up FT attempts along with Durant meaning every opponent they play would be in foul trouble.
You never trade away All Star's, unless you are getting an All Star in return. They didn't need to trade away Harden and would have been better off keeping him for another season. Tequilla's premise is fine that having a couple of Chandler Parsens would be a better fit, but this isn't fantasy basketball. First of all, Chandler Parsons will probably be making 10 million after this year. One max level James Harden is about the same price as two mid level exception guys. Not to mention the Thunder are cheap and aren't a destination for most NBA players because it is Oklahoma. -
OKC is also 14-15 when Westbrook takes over 25 shots over the last 3 seasons.
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Westbrook takes too many shots, without question. But part of the reason Durant only got 28 shots last night is Tony Allen frustrated the hell out of him when he was guarding him. TA was the MVP of that game for Memphis, with Westbrook in an AuburnDawgesque tie for second with Randolph.
Last night was the perfect example of a game where OKC missed Harden incredibly badly.
