A Kennedy is not a fan of Gates...

Beat me to it. Gates is scum.

We vax, because preventable disease.

Sadly, there are many anti-vaxers in my extended social circle, which must say something about me. 99.99999% of them are under-educated moms (by 'undereducated' I mean attended "check the box" university, took a "check the box" course of study, and still think having been in a sorority gave them an exclusive and elite college experience, even at Cuog).

I've noticed they are not super vocal these days.

I don't care what a person believes as long as they have some fucking basis for it, and either hold strong even when it's not convenient or have the sack to admit they might not have known what they were talking about before.

Literally every one I know who hold those beliefs tie it to some anecdote involving a person they don't know telling a story about their kid, or some "expert" who may or may not have attended Harvard and who is not recognized by his colleagues as knowing what he's talking about. Science.

My contacts, most of whom are employed by or connected to UW's vaunted and world-class school of public health and epidemiology, shake their heads at what they consider the hubris of reading shit literature and making health decisions accordingly. The one they bring up the most in conversation is the mistake of skipping the Gardasil vaccine for cervical cancer. The conversation goes that cervical cancer has been a huge killer of women historically, and this vaccine absolutely works to prevent it. It is, apparently, a particularly pernicious type of cancer with a 50/50 chance you'll be dead in 5.

Of course they're not perfect, and of course picking populations with which to play Dr. Mengele is immoral.

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

RFK Jr is the face of the anti-vaxx quack movement, which I'm sure @Sledog is a card carrying member of. It's not surprising that he'd then take aim at Gates.

I'm not an anti vaxer but having seen video of Gates giving speeches and hearing what he says he fully intends to do as he says. Why wouldn't I believe him?

Now fuck off!

Bill Gates has more money than he'll ever know what to do with, so this narrative that he's trying to prop up some pharma company with ulterior motives smacks as unlikely to me. He may well be doing that, but I'm inclined to believe it's because he believes that vaccines are important. He literally has zero other reason to do it. And Gates is not a "take over the world" kind of person. The guy could buy several islands, stock them up and tell the world to fuck off and he and his kids would be fine for the rest of their lives.

Gates believes that the world is connected in some ways, whether we like it or not. I honestly believe the guy has been afraid for years of exactly what's going on right now.

You can question him on the margin here and there, just like anybody. But "scum"? I don't think that's a deserved tag as applied to Bill.

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

RFK Jr is the face of the anti-vaxx quack movement, which I'm sure @Sledog is a card carrying member of. It's not surprising that he'd then take aim at Gates.

I'm not an anti vaxer but having seen video of Gates giving speeches and hearing what he says he fully intends to do as he says. Why wouldn't I believe him?

Now fuck off!

Bill Gates has more money than he'll ever know what to do with, so this narrative that he's trying to prop up some pharma company with ulterior motives smacks as unlikely to me. He may well be doing that, but I'm inclined to believe it's because he believes that vaccines are important. He literally has zero other reason to do it. And Gates is not a "take over the world" kind of person. The guy could buy several islands, stock them up and tell the world to fuck off and he and his kids would be fine for the rest of their lives.

Gates believes that the world is connected in some ways, whether we like it or not. I honestly believe the guy has been afraid for years of exactly what's going on right now.

You can question him on the margin here and there, just like anybody. But "scum"? I don't think that's a deserved tag as applied to Bill.

Our opinions can differ and it doesn't bother me.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

RFK Jr is the face of the anti-vaxx quack movement, which I'm sure @Sledog is a card carrying member of. It's not surprising that he'd then take aim at Gates.

I'm not an anti vaxer but having seen video of Gates giving speeches and hearing what he says he fully intends to do as he says. Why wouldn't I believe him?

Now fuck off!

What does he intend to do that has you so shaken and about to vomit?

Search for yourself. It's been some time and finding it would take more time than I'll invest in you. If it is even still out there.

creepycoug said:

We vax, because preventable disease.

Sadly, there are many anti-vaxers in my extended social circle, which must say something about me. 99.99999% of them are under-educated moms (by 'undereducated' I mean attended "check the box" university, took a "check the box" course of study, and still think having been in a sorority gave them an exclusive and elite college experience, even at Cuog).

I've noticed they are not super vocal these days.

I don't care what a person believes as long as they have some fucking basis for it, and either hold strong even when it's not convenient or have the sack to admit they might not have known what they were talking about before.

Literally every one I know who hold those beliefs tie it to some anecdote involving a person they don't know telling a story about their kid, or some "expert" who may or may not have attended Harvard and who is not recognized by his colleagues as knowing what he's talking about. Science.

My contacts, most of whom are employed by or connected to UW's vaunted and world-class school of public health and epidemiology, shake their heads at what they consider the hubris of reading shit literature and making health decisions accordingly. The one they bring up the most in conversation is the mistake of skipping the Gardasil vaccine for cervical cancer. The conversation goes that cervical cancer has been a huge killer of women historically, and this vaccine absolutely works to prevent it. It is, apparently, a particularly pernicious type of cancer with a 50/50 chance you'll be dead in 5.

Of course they're not perfect, and of course picking populations with which to play Dr. Mengele is immoral.

The Anti-Vaxxers will always have the Dairy industry to screech about and keep them busy tellings us all how immoral we are for consuming it, because, as I recently learned, Dairy is Racist and Oppressive.

I shit you not. Nothing like a bunch of white former athletes reminding me that my existence itself is racist.

salemcoog said:

A lot of Microsoof Gates worshippers in this thread.

Yeah, that's what it is. Worship. Christ.

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

Sledog said:

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

DuckHHunterisafag said:

Sledog said:

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

Has he been questioned on this statement? Could it have been a blunder and what he meant to say was we could lower death by 10-15%?

No, Gates has very coherently laid out countless times why he thinks vaccines can eventually lead to lower population growth, and why he thinks that's a good thing for the planet and our species. It's embarrassing how paper thin this conspiracy theory is.

DuckHHunterisafag said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

I get what you're saying and agree with you but Snopes isn't exactly an unbiased organization. Also, world population is going to fall off the cliff in about 30-40 years but will have nothing to do with Bill Gates.

Regardless of what you think about Snopes, they very clearly articulate Gates's position on it, and there should be no confusion as to why he thinks vaccines and an eventual decline in world population is a good thing.

DuckHHunterisafag said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

I get what you're saying and agree with you but Snopes isn't exactly an unbiased organization. Also, world population is going to fall off the cliff in about 30-40 years but will have nothing to do with Bill Gates.

This will be, and is now in some places, a big deal.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

"if we do a really great job on new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or15 percent?"

That's a quote from it. How would vaccines lower population? Wouldn't they increase it by preventing death?

Come to your own conclusion.

It's from a TED talk on global warming IIRC.

C'mon Sle, these talking points are refuted with just 5 seconds of googling. When you hear something ambiguous, your first reaction shouldn't be "interpret this however I see fit".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

I simply found the quote just now. Originally I saw the video and it was very clear. Snopes all you want. I'll draw my conclusion you draw yours but since his daddy was a planned parenthood eugenics guy maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

I won't lie, even by Sledog standards, your brazen denial of facts that are right in front of you surprises me. And I thought I was done being surprised.

Snopes is "facts"? Talk about brazen.