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Helfrich says this is the most talented/fast team he's seen

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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,390
    Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.

    Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    AZDuck said:

    Bellotti's first team in 1995 was also a good team. It was probably the last one with a really good defense. But yeah, Rich Brooks' guys.

    Yeah, that's some good research there - and Bellotti was probably one of the few HCs that really let their coordinators do their own thing. It was both a positive and a negative for us. It gave us Chip Kelly in 2007, but it also gave us Rich Stubler.

    In six years with Kelly/Tedford he finished the year ranked five times the one year he didn't was Tedford's first year which they were ranked all year long until the bowl loss.

    While without those two in eight seasons he finished the year ranked only twice one of which was a team he inherited that played in a Rose Bowl the year prior. Had Tedford or Kelly never entered the picture I think everyone would look at Bellotti as a bad coach.

    In the six years with Tedford/Kelly he goes 57-17(.770), 37-13(.740) in conference. 5-1(.833) in bowl games

    In the eight years without either Tedford or Kelly he goes 59-38(.608), 35-30(.538) in conference. 1-5 in bowl games(.166)
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    Can we get back to comparing the 95-96 Sonics and the 13-14 Trailblazers?
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  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    CuntWaffle said:

    Can we get back to comparing the 95-96 Sonics and the 13-14 Trailblazers?

    Trail Blazers are shaping up!

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  • Nobody1627
    Nobody1627 Member Posts: 1
    Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.

    Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).

    Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.

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  • [Deleted User]
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    Nobody1627 said:

    Interesting discussion. I'm just not sure the numbers show MB as clearly a "bad coach". Even in the years without Tedford/Kelly as OC, the numbers show Oregon at 59-38 (.608) and 35-30 (0.538) in a BCS AQ conference.

    Recall, when Bellotti took over, Oregon hadn't won a Rose Bowl in something like 77 years and had been to maybe 4 decent bowls total over that same stretch (1994 Rose, 1957 Rose, 1948 Cotton, 1919 Rose - all losses).

    Going (.608) in BCS AQ conference at that sort of program might not be considered "bad coaching". I think Saben was (.576) at Michigan State and Myles was (.571) at Oklahoma State. Bellotti's 0.608 isn't that far off UW's all time football winning % of 0.612 (Stassen); and, those are only counting Bellotti's "bad" years.

    You set up an account just to defend mediocre Bellotti? Also my definition of bad is different than most. Like I call Sark or even Jim Lambright a bad coach. Lambo has an impressive W-L% as well much like Bellotti.

    However the stats don't lie when it comes to the years with Kelly/Tedford vs the years without them. Look at the conference W-L, the number of ranked teams and bowl W-L in the Kelly/Tedford years vs the years without them. It's literally night and day.
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  • ToiletSeat
    ToiletSeat Member Posts: 150
    oregonblitzkrieg said:


    Helfrich needs to drag his nuts through shards of glass in the offseason and get tougher on the players or hit the road.

    This is a case where you should probably follow your own advice.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    Dick_B said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Mike Bellotti was good when he had a good OC like Tedford or Kelly. When he had neither from 2002-2006 he drowned.

    Showing he was a bad coach.


    *gurgle*?

    It truly is a shame I'm wasting good material on the Duck thread so 81% of our poasters aren't reading this.

    Finally someone slammed that one home.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,554
    Still gotta give Bellotti some credit for having the foresight to hire Tedford and Kelly.

    No Addison (ACL injury), no Huff (graduated), and no DAT (left for NFL) makes the offense easier defend...Daryl Hawkins is also gone too and I think he was their 4th leading WR.

    Lots of pressure on guys like Keanon Lowe (RS-SR and 6th in receiving last year for them) and John Mundt (7th leading receiver as a true frosh TE) to present coverage threats.
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