UW Defense Thoughts Thread
Gone are Parker, Fuimaono, Ducre, Shamburger, Watson.
2013 recruits of note to fill the depth chart are Mathis (so), Farria (so), Qualls at DL, O'Brien, Constantine, Bierra, Victor at LB, Kelly, Walker (so), King (so) at DB. I thought the 2013 recruiting class on D was excellent. All of the guys except one or two were highly recruited. Great timing with Petersen on board to develop these guys. I don't know who of these guys will have the biggest impact this season but hopefully its the DB's. Kelly was the scout team defense award winner last year. Maybe Budda and one of the other true frosh DB's can surprise.
Overall this should easily be the best defense since 1997 and have way more depth than any other group since then. With guys like Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq and Peters there is a lot of potential star power. Does anyone think any of these guys can be in the convo for All-American?
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Not the caseHeretoBeatmyChest said:The UW defense gave up roughly the same amount of ppg in 2013 as 2012 (when you adjust for Idaho St game) yet the yards per play was down quite a bit and UW was 20th nationally and tied for 3rd in the pac-12 with USC behind UO & Stanford.
Gone are Parker, Fuimaono, Ducre, Shamburger, Watson.
2013 recruits of note to fill the depth chart are Mathis (so), Farria (so), Qualls at DL, O'Brien, Constantine, Bierra, Victor at LB, Kelly, Walker (so), King (so) at DB. I thought the 2013 recruiting class on D was excellent. All of the guys except one or two were highly recruited. Great timing with Petersen on board to develop these guys. I don't know who of these guys will have the biggest impact this season but hopefully its the DB's. Kelly was the scout team defense award winner last year. Maybe Budda and one of the other true frosh DB's can surprise.
Overall this should easily be the best defense since 1997 and have way more depth than any other group since then. With guys like Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq and Peters there is a lot of potential star power. Does anyone think any of these guys can be in the convo for All-American? -
I'm not saying you are wrong but we haven't exactly had a good defense since 1997 and even 1997 we were all bitching and complaining about them while that season was going on.HeretoBeatmyChest said:The UW defense gave up roughly the same amount of ppg in 2013 as 2012 (when you adjust for Idaho St game) yet the yards per play was down quite a bit and UW was 20th nationally and tied for 3rd in the pac-12 with USC behind UO & Stanford.
Gone are Parker, Fuimaono, Ducre, Shamburger, Watson.
2013 recruits of note to fill the depth chart are Mathis (so), Farria (so), Qualls at DL, O'Brien, Constantine, Bierra, Victor at LB, Kelly, Walker (so), King (so) at DB. I thought the 2013 recruiting class on D was excellent. All of the guys except one or two were highly recruited. Great timing with Petersen on board to develop these guys. I don't know who of these guys will have the biggest impact this season but hopefully its the DB's. Kelly was the scout team defense award winner last year. Maybe Budda and one of the other true frosh DB's can surprise.
Overall this should easily be the best defense since 1997 and have way more depth than any other group since then. With guys like Kikaha, Shelton, Shaq and Peters there is a lot of potential star power. Does anyone think any of these guys can be in the convo for All-American?
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The only real loss from last year is Parker. Ducre would be nice with a lack of depth at CB but none of the other 3 were especially talented players. Feeney over Fui at OLB is a big upgrade. Budda over Shamburger could be an instant upgrade, and will definitely be a huge upgrade in the future. And Watson was more of a liability on defense than anything.
This defense has a chance to be real good with a lot of depth in the front 7 for the first time in what seems like forever. I expect Josh Shirley to absolutely blow up this year. He seemed like a guy who was in Sark's doghouse for whatever reason, and was never really put in a position to succeed. -
I thought last year that our strength was our back 7 ...
This year I think our strength will be our front 7 ...
The LB corps should be a top 2-3 in the conference group.
Peters is a nice building block in the secondary. But ultimately this defense will be judged by how much the young kids grow up in the back.
One positive in our favor? The early season schedule is very forgiving to a team breaking in a young secondary. -
If Budda is starting then we have a shitty backfield. His shoulder will last a couple of games before he is sidelined. Beaver or someone else needs to see dr feelgood this off season and claim that spot.
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Disagree. He's a talented recruit who can do a lot of things. If he is starting I wouldn't look at that as a bad thing.AtomicDawg said:If Budda is starting then we have a shitty backfield. His shoulder will last a couple of games before he is sidelined. Beaver or someone else needs to see dr feelgood this off season and claim that spot.
Beaver from what I've been reading is having a good spring and he was a highly sought after recruit who is entering his third year in the program. I look for him to have a big year for us. -
5-9 180lbs doesn't scream Pac 12 safety to me. I could be wrong and he could even develop into that, but I am not excited at the thought of him starting. To me it tells me our safeties suck. If he was getting spot duty I would feel a lot better about it.
If he has amazing ball skills then that is great, but he is going to have to make a lot of tackles on people much bigger than him on a consistent basis if he is playing a lot of snaps. I would bet Sven's 20 bucks his shoulder doesn't last the entire conference season and then is spending the off season getting it repaired next spring.
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For comparison, Earl Thomas is 5-10, 202 lbs. I agree that it's worrisome for Baker to be starting as a true freshman but his isn't that far off what it needs to be.
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For a better comparison, he was listed at 5-10, 175 lbs coming out of high school.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:For comparison, Earl Thomas is 5-10, 202 lbs. I agree that it's worrisome for Baker to be starting as a true freshman but his isn't that far off what it needs to be.
OTOH, he redshirted his first season. I have no idea if that was because of the depth chart or so he could bulk up, but he started two seasons and then left school after his sophomore year so you could argue the RS year was a waste, unless he significantly bulked up over that time in a way he couldn't have otherwise.
I wouldn't have liked the idea of Baker at safety 10 or 15 years ago, but as pass happy as the Pac12 is these days, and as finesse as most of the running attacks are outside of Stanford and Myles Jack, I think he could be a great fit at FS right out of the gate.
Also, I really want him to line up at RB for one game and score five touchdowns on the ground against USC before flipping off Sark on the sidelines. Is that asking too much? -
I gurantee you that the UW strength and conditioning coaches are already have Budda on some high calorie diet and weight lifting program and he can get to 190 before the season starts.
Lets not compare an NFL safety to a college one either. NFL players overall are much bigger than college. I do think safety won't be our strongest position but I am not going to start worrying too much. -
Typically True Freshman that start a full season are built more like Sua Cravens at USC.
Feeney, King and Parker are 3 guys that I can think off of the top of my head recently that were forced into playing too soon and were injured.
I am not saying he needs to redshirt, but you would hope the underclassmen were playing at a high enough level to claim the starting positions. By all accounts Baker should see the field if he is as good as advertised. -
If Butch Snatchmuncheroff advertises him as the best player he has ever coached and having recently coached Myles Jack I would say good chance he sees a lot of time this year.AtomicDawg said:Typically True Freshman that start a full season are built more like Sua Cravens at USC.
Feeney, King and Parker are 3 guys that I can think off of the top of my head recently that were forced into playing too soon and were injured.
I am not saying he needs to redshirt, but you would hope the underclassmen were playing at a high enough level to claim the starting positions. By all accounts Baker should see the field if he is as good as advertised. -
Querey for all:
Why are we spending so much time discussing Budda Baker? I'm hearing there's no chance he will waiver on his commitment to Oregon. -
Budda was committed to Oregon before he wasn't. Just as he was commited to Washington before he committed to Oregon before he wasn't. High School kids change their minds all the time, how are the guys at Dawgman suppose to know these things? A lot of twisting going on but why am I not surprised?
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It was nice seeing Quooks go full WDWHA after Baker announced he wasn't going to Oregon after all.dnc said:Querey for all:
Why are we spending so much time discussing Budda Baker? I'm hearing there's no chance he will waiver on his commitment to Oregon. -
I don't disagree that you shouldn't compare NFL player size to college player size but it was an easy comparison to make. If I wasn't lazy, I'd go back and find out Thomas' measurements coming out of high school but I'm fucking lazy so you get his NFL measurements instead.CuntWaffle said:I gurantee you that the UW strength and conditioning coaches are already have Budda on some high calorie diet and weight lifting program and he can get to 190 before the season starts.
Lets not compare an NFL safety to a college one either. NFL players overall are much bigger than college. I do think safety won't be our strongest position but I am not going to start worrying too much. -
Are you just rolling your eyes?CuntWaffle said:Budda was committed to Oregon before he wasn't. Just as he was commited to Washington before he committed to Oregon before he wasn't. High School kids change their minds all the time, how are the guys at Dawgman suppose to know these things? A lot of twisting going on but why am I not surprised?
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He_Needs_More_Time said:
It was nice seeingdnc said:Querey for all:
Why are we spending so much time discussing Budda Baker? I'm hearing there's no chance he will waiver on his commitment to Oregon.QuooksEklund go fullWDWHA"technically I was right. He was 100% committed to Oregon up until he decommitted" after Baker announced he wasn't going to Oregon after all. -
Eklund's Budda Baker adventure was amazing. He was wrong on every single prediction even though he had stalked the kid for about 2 years. Never got anything right, not once. Then predicting UCLA and Baker choosing UW solidified him as one of my favorite Husky players ever. What a troll job.
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In Eklund's defense, his kid had the crud.CuntWaffle said:Eklund's Budda Baker adventure was amazing. He was wrong on every single prediction even though he had stalked the kid for about 2 years. Never got anything right, not once. Then predicting UCLA and Baker choosing UW solidified him as one of my favorite Husky players ever. What a troll job.
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Nickel corner at worst for Budda. He's probably as big as Parker was his first two years, and he is much faster/quicker. You make a valid point about his shoulder, but I don't think we have enough talent at CB/S for him not to be a heavy contributor.AtomicDawg said:5-9 180lbs doesn't scream Pac 12 safety to me. I could be wrong and he could even develop into that, but I am not excited at the thought of him starting. To me it tells me our safeties suck. If he was getting spot duty I would feel a lot better about it.
If he has amazing ball skills then that is great, but he is going to have to make a lot of tackles on people much bigger than him on a consistent basis if he is playing a lot of snaps. I would bet Sven's 20 bucks his shoulder doesn't last the entire conference season and then is spending the off season getting it repaired next spring.
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The HHB's always love to point out all the times Eklund is wrong but what about the times he is right?
Has he ever been right about anything? Ever?! -
Of course he has.He_Needs_More_Time said:The HHB's always love to point out all the times Eklund is wrong but what about the times he is right?
Has he ever been right about anything? Ever?!
He was right that we had nothing to worry about when that silly girl reporter from Texas (blond?) tried to tell us Daeshon Hall might decommit.
He was right that Myles Jack was seriously considering UW and invited walk on Ryan Turman could be the X factor in his recruitment.
He was right that UW was not going to take Patrick Enewally.
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Eklund is always right. As I said before, all the kids he predicted to UW who went elsewhere were committed (although most silent commits) to UW before they changed their mind. High School kids do this stuff all the time. One morning they go to the shower first, next morning they hit up the fridge. Unpredictable.
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His reasoning was even better. "Well, everyone had Budda down to UCLA and UW, and then he picked Oregon. When he picked Oregon, there was no chance for him to open up his recruitment again."CuntWaffle said:Eklund's Budda Baker adventure was amazing. He was wrong on every single prediction even though he had stalked the kid for about 2 years. Never got anything right, not once. Then predicting UCLA and Baker choosing UW solidified him as one of my favorite Husky players ever. What a troll job.
The truth: I don't have a fucking clue what Budda is doing, and my sources are either terrible or completely made up.
"Kaleb McGary will go to Oregon State because there is too much asphalt in Seattle. He wants to major in Agriculture too, and if he wants to be a farmer, he should go to Oregon State."
The truth: I have been following recruiting for years, but still fall for obvious bullshit that will have no factor with his decision.
"I've been right about a lot. I guessed Will Dissly and Dante Pettis to UW."
The truth: Anyone could have guessed guys without any other PAC 12 offers were going to UW. Anyone who is still paying you for your insight should immediately douse themselves in gasoline. We will take care of the rest.
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I loved the McGary to WSU/OSU prediction too because he likes to hunt and fish. Because we all know in Pullman and Corvalis you can wake up, grab your gun, and go into your backyard and hunt some deer/bear.
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Reuben Foster loves to fish, therefore he will shock the world and come to UW.CuntWaffle said:I loved the McGary to WSU/OSU prediction too because he likes to hunt and fish. Because we all know in Pullman and Corvalis you can wake up, grab your gun, and go into your backyard and hunt some deer/bear.
He isn't telling anyone he's coming to UW though, because then some scary SEC coaches would talk him out of it. But he's coming to fish, you watch. -
In reality, we can roll with a single high safety look (Budda) if Kelly can hold down the other corner spot. Assuming we get decent play from our LB's in pass looks will help cover up whoever is playing the in the box safety role in pass defense.
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I really don't see Baker starting as a problem. Talented freshman start all the time and I'd feel better with him back there than a 5th year guy like Will Shamburger who was another Doog legend who totally sucked ass.
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assuming we get some heat from the edge. I can see that against half of our schedule but not sure we will have the pass rush. Technically we should between kikaha, shirley, hudson and Farria so not a bad thought. I don't know enough about how flexible Peterman was on their schemes though if that is something they would do.kh83 said:In reality, we can roll with a single high safety look (Budda) if Kelly can hold down the other corner spot. Assuming we get decent play from our LB's in pass looks will help cover up whoever is playing the in the box safety role in pass defense.
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