Oh Canada!

Sledog said:

Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.

So death panels are real then

Good to know

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.

So death panels are real then

Good to know

I've always told you they're real. Finally sink in?

You should take this up with your squad and the politicians you voted for who mocked anyone who told the truth about death panels

UW_Doog_Bot said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.

They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.

Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?

Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.

Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.

I don't think you read your own article.

But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.

Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.

You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.

I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.

This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.

And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.

You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.

That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.

If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.

We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.

You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.

Bendintheriver said:

Its interesting to watch a rat try to slime out of a lie. HH defended BO care and socialized medicine to the nth degree. Now all of the sudden, when it is obvious that death panels do exist and it is revealing the true de-humanizing socialists leaders who have little to no compassion for the sick "little people", he is trying to slime his way out of it by saying he always claimed there were death panels and here is why they are important. Trust me, if that poor sick woman was a socialist party leader, there would have been a bed in a private room available.

They lie. Its what they do, who they are.

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

HHusky said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

Girl dead because of socialized medicine. Fuck that Shit and the commies that want it.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

Facilities are finite under all systems. Someone shoulda told you.

They're finite when you only get to do a certain number of procedures. The Canadian government sets those numbers. They stop paying when the allotment is consumed.

Make an American who couldn't get this procedure?

Not having a match is one thing but not having the "means" to do more than 5 a month is lunacy. If Trudeau won't pay you die.

Maybe they'll soon move to a lottery system for procedures.

I don't think you read your own article.

But you'll fit in well with the "healthcare is a right" crowd.

Hope they don't go to a lottery. The treatment you're talking about has a high mortality rate, which gets worse when you've already been treated and the disease has returned. Probably best to take those who have the best chance of surviving the treatment first.

You didn't read it. "Resources" and "means" not relapse were the reason she wasn't treated.

I see you were unable to find me an American with a donor ready to go who dead because we didn't have the means or resources. The government doesn't tell the hospital/doctors how many procedures they can do per year.

This isn't a wheel them in and out thing. They didn't have enough beds to provide immediate service. That's not surprising since the treatment lasts months.

And I didn't say your article mentioned the relapse as a reason she didn't get treated. I simply provided you some facts you probably didn't know. The fact she had been treated before would have been a legitimate medical reason to prefer a candidate who hadn't been treated before. I don't know whether that was also a consideration. It should have been.

You don't know socialized medicine has actual limits on things like number of procedures.

That's why you can't find a comfortable situation here in the free world.

If your reasons were correct we'd see it here.

We're really lucky that insurance and hospital executives make the decisions about us then.

You got the cash services are available. I know that's unbearable for socialists.

This treatment’s costs range from the low to the mid six figures, so I guess the kid whose parents have that cash are all set.

So then that's better off than where no one gets it except I guess the oligarchs and elites in government.

Allow the free market to incentivize cost savings and innovation and it might even be as easy to acquire as a cell phone.

The very existence of the treatment reflects the fact that innovation isn’t being stifled. But a course of intense and risky treatment that can run three months or more isn’t likely to ever become cheap or easy to acquire.

I hesitate to jump into these because healthcare is a fucking quandary from my perspective. But I think you're making two big assumptions here.

First, that the treatment is available is proof that socialized medicine doesn't stifle innovation. Availability could be due, and likely is due, to advances in medicine that come from other systems, namely ours, where a lot of the innovation tends to occur. Once it's known it's known and medicine tends to share what they learn.

Second, that risky and lengthy treatment is not ever going to be cheap. That's the story of Western medicine in a free market. What was a big deal yesterday is an office procedure today.

I hear what you are saying. I have a relative who recently developed cancer on her tongue. They want to do, and can do, proton therapy so that the chemo doesn't fly around her head and cause other problems that weren't there before. But, some pencil pusher is thinking about how much proton therapy they're going to pay for, and in the mean time when you have cancer anywhere in your head you need to proceed to treatment forthwith. So even though the docs said "proton", they're prepared to spray her with the messy chemo the first five or six treatments, and when pencil pusher is ready with his decision then we're good to go w/ proton. Relative said "fuck it" and paid for the first proton treatments. Not cheap but had the option.

Should also add ... there was a time, about 10 years ago, when you had to go to MD Anderson in Houston to get proton. Literally nobody else had it ... not Cedar Sinai, Mayo, Mass Gen, SCCA or OHSU. Now, you can get it anywhere. That matters to me.

So while our system has its limitations, I will take it over the other. Plus, in my anecdote, pencil pusher is an insurance functionary. Ultimately, that insurance company is subject to market pressure. Doesn't help my relative right now, sure; but imagine he's a government functionary. That is hopeless.