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Great, but it isn't as if they didn't know about dam building before FDR.YellowSnow said:
Hoover dam as amazing as it is, was chicken shit compared to the dam building binge that occurred in the 1930's and 40's as part of the New Deal.SFGbob said:
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.MikeDamone said:
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technologyYellowSnow said:
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.PurpleThrobber said:
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.YellowSnow said:
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?SFGbob said:
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.YellowSnow said:
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947. -
FDR took office in 1932?SFGbob said:
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.HHusky said:
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.SFGbob said:
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office. -
They either got built as part of the New Deal or they didn't. We have to judge FDR on the entirety of the body of work. If WWII never happens then he doesn't run in 1940 probably and he's not on a dime, and it takes the US longer to come out of the Depression. Better to be lucky than good sometimes.SFGbob said:
Great, but it isn't as if they didn't know about dam building before FDR.YellowSnow said:
Hoover dam as amazing as it is, was chicken shit compared to the dam building binge that occurred in the 1930's and 40's as part of the New Deal.SFGbob said:
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.MikeDamone said:
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technologyYellowSnow said:
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.PurpleThrobber said:
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.YellowSnow said:
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?SFGbob said:
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.YellowSnow said:
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947. -
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.HHusky said:
FDR took office in 1932?SFGbob said:
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.HHusky said:
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.SFGbob said:
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office. -
Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
Anyone else amused that a lying Kunt would call people "antl-immigrant" just because they oppose illegal immigration?HHusky said:
Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
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And many in his Solid South coalition.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class -
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project? -
FDR destroyed private investment with his "DO SOMETHING" approach and mismanaged large swaths of the economy. For every damn built that had an economic return there were hundreds of other projects that were broken windows for economic gain. Swales in the farmlands anyone?
@YellowSnow has the classic historian fallacy that it takes a strong central government to make large capital investments happen. "But who will build the roads?"
Without 8 years of mismanagement of the economy the USA would have been in an even better industrial position to win the war. -
That's not even getting into his social/political legacy of packing courts, enshrining entitlements, internment camps, etc.
It's a fairly uncontroversial opinion in economics that FDR prolonged the depression and made its effects worse.
FDR's record for Econ is arguing about if he went 1-11 or owen. -
So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.SFGbob said:
No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.HHusky said:
FDR took office in 1932?SFGbob said:
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.HHusky said:
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.SFGbob said:
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office. -
Oh, did you want to discuss economics again? I thought the last few times you were shown to lack a high school level of knowledge of the subject matter were good enough.HHusky said:
So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.SFGbob said:
No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.HHusky said:
FDR took office in 1932?SFGbob said:
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.HHusky said:
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.SFGbob said:
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office. -
You're looking at history based on what was theoretically possible. I'm looking at it from the vantage point of what actually happened.UW_Doog_Bot said:FDR destroyed private investment with his "DO SOMETHING" approach and mismanaged large swaths of the economy. For every damn built that had an economic return there were hundreds of other projects that were broken windows for economic gain. Swales in the farmlands anyone?
@YellowSnow has the classic historian fallacy that it takes a strong central government to make large capital investments happen. "But who will build the roads?"
Without 8 years of mismanagement of the economy the USA would have been in an even better industrial position to win the war.
As I've clearly stated multiple times in this thread much of FDR's policies were counter-productive.
Where was the private capital to build the dams in the 1930's that won the War? Where was the private capital to build the water infrastructure that sustains your existence in CA? -
That capital was being withdrawn or withheld on the basis of taxation and what FDR was attempting or proposing to do to assets.YellowSnow said:
You're looking at history based on what was theoretically possible. I'm looking at it from the vantage point of what actually happened.UW_Doog_Bot said:FDR destroyed private investment with his "DO SOMETHING" approach and mismanaged large swaths of the economy. For every damn built that had an economic return there were hundreds of other projects that were broken windows for economic gain. Swales in the farmlands anyone?
@YellowSnow has the classic historian fallacy that it takes a strong central government to make large capital investments happen. "But who will build the roads?"
Without 8 years of mismanagement of the economy the USA would have been in an even better industrial position to win the war.
As I've clearly stated multiple times in this thread much of FDR's policies were counter-productive.
Where was the private capital to build the dams in the 1930's that won the War? Where was the private capital to build the water infrastructure that sustains your existence in CA?
Even at peak during the depression you are talking 10%? Of GDP for ALL of government expenditures.
The capital was very much there. The trouble is that you aren't going to build a damn with it if there's a very real risk of the government ceasing that asset. You are going to buy gold and bury it somewhere the government doesn't know about.
I'm on mobile atm but will point you to some very good authors later that address the subject better than I will. A historian like yourself would enjoy the read I suspect. -
YellowSnow said:
That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.MikeDamone said:
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technologyYellowSnow said:
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.PurpleThrobber said:
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.YellowSnow said:
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?SFGbob said:
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.YellowSnow said:
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.
But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
You’re a real math whiz as well as legal scholar.HHusky said:
So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.SFGbob said:
No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.HHusky said:
FDR took office in 1932?SFGbob said:
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.HHusky said:
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.SFGbob said:
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office.
1+1 = 2 means 100% year over year growth POTD.
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The fact is many knew what was happening with monetary policy and refused to change. And I fact encouraged it as a way to advance socialist policy.YellowSnow said:
That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.MikeDamone said:
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technologyYellowSnow said:
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.PurpleThrobber said:
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.YellowSnow said:
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?SFGbob said:
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.YellowSnow said:
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.
But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
I'll link this here because there is a chance you'll read it. Certainly won't be read by the tug leftists. You probably the only one who will actually even consider reading it.
https://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth
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JFC you're a dumbshitHHusky said:
Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
You're being far too charitable.MikeDamone said:
JFC you're a dumbshitHHusky said:
Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried -
I might have read this piece or something similar before. I will read again when time allows.MikeDamone said:
The fact is many knew what was happening with monetary policy and refused to change. And I fact encouraged it as a way to advance socialist policy.YellowSnow said:
That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.MikeDamone said:
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technologyYellowSnow said:
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.PurpleThrobber said:
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.YellowSnow said:
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?SFGbob said:
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.YellowSnow said:
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.MikeDamone said:
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recoverPurpleThrobber said:
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.MikeDamone said:
Another mythSFGbob said:
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.WestlinnDuck said:And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.
But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
I'll link this here because there is a chance you'll read it. Certainly won't be read by the tug leftists. You probably the only one who will actually even consider reading it.
https://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth -
My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.YellowSnow said:
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
It's odd for a conservative IMO
If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win
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He had to slow the recovery down so he had tim to get his guys in. Every coach knows that it takes tim.UW_Doog_Bot said:That's not even getting into his social/political legacy of packing courts, enshrining entitlements, internment camps, etc.
It's a fairly uncontroversial opinion in economics that FDR prolonged the depression and made its effects worse.
FDR's record for Econ is arguing about if he went 1-11 or owen.
Conspiracy theory: Depression had to happen so big government could control banking and get off gold standard. -
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I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.RaceBannon said:
My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.YellowSnow said:
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
It's odd for a conservative IMO
If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win
Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.
Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
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I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.YellowSnow said:
I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.RaceBannon said:
My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.YellowSnow said:
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
It's odd for a conservative IMO
If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win
Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.
Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle. -
I’m about ready to say Fuck It and buy a MAGA hat. I don’t fucking care.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.YellowSnow said:
I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.RaceBannon said:
My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.YellowSnow said:
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
It's odd for a conservative IMO
If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win
Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.
Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
My kid just came home with the flyer to buy the official SPS elementary school BLM t shirt. What the fuck does SJW political activism have to do with kindergarten? -
Uhh literally everythingYellowSnow said:
I’m about ready to say Fuck It and buy a MAGA hat. I don’t fucking care.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.YellowSnow said:
I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.RaceBannon said:
My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.YellowSnow said:
Which is what I just said above.RaceBannon said:
He turned at least one ship awayYellowSnow said:
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.RaceBannon said:
FDR made the trains run on time post of the dayHHusky said:
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.RaceBannon said:That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class
- FDR was a bigot and a racist.
- Washington was a bigot and a racist.
- Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.
- Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.
- Jackson was a bigot and a racist
- Wilson was a bigot and racist.
What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
It's odd for a conservative IMO
If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win
Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.
Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
My kid just came home with the flyer to buy the official SPS elementary school BLM t shirt. What the fuck does SJW political activism have to do with kindergarten?
SJWs never really graduated past kindergarten
