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Leftist hero FDR an anti Semite piece of shit

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    MikeDamone said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out

    Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
    FDR made the trains run on time post of the day

    So what if some Jews fried
    Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?
    JFC you're a dumbshit
    You're being far too charitable.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,693 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    YellowSnow said:

    SFGbob said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    MikeDamone said:

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    WestlinnDuck said:

    And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.

    He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.

    But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
    Another myth
    Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.

    Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
    His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
    His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.

    We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.

    Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
    It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?






    The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.

    And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
    So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
    That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.

    I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.

    But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
    The fact is many knew what was happening with monetary policy and refused to change. And I fact encouraged it as a way to advance socialist policy.

    I'll link this here because there is a chance you'll read it. Certainly won't be read by the tug leftists. You probably the only one who will actually even consider reading it.
    https://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth
    I might have read this piece or something similar before. I will read again when time allows.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,435 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out

    Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
    FDR made the trains run on time post of the day

    So what if some Jews fried
    FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
    He turned at least one ship away

    He was anti semitic like most of his class

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,843 Swaye's Wigwam
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    That's not even getting into his social/political legacy of packing courts, enshrining entitlements, internment camps, etc.

    It's a fairly uncontroversial opinion in economics that FDR prolonged the depression and made its effects worse.

    FDR's record for Econ is arguing about if he went 1-11 or owen.

    He had to slow the recovery down so he had tim to get his guys in. Every coach knows that it takes tim.


    Conspiracy theory: Depression had to happen so big government could control banking and get off gold standard.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,354 Founders Club
    Support for FDR’s policies is highly misguided.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123353276749137485
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,693 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out

    Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
    FDR made the trains run on time post of the day

    So what if some Jews fried
    FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
    He turned at least one ship away

    He was anti semitic like most of his class

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

    I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.

    Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.

    Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,545 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out

    Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
    FDR made the trains run on time post of the day

    So what if some Jews fried
    FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
    He turned at least one ship away

    He was anti semitic like most of his class

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

    I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.

    Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.

    Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
    I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,676
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out

    Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
    FDR made the trains run on time post of the day

    So what if some Jews fried
    FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
    He turned at least one ship away

    He was anti semitic like most of his class

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

    I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.

    Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.

    Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
    I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.
    I’m about ready to say Fuck It and buy a MAGA hat. I don’t fucking care.

    My kid just came home with the flyer to buy the official SPS elementary school BLM t shirt. What the fuck does SJW political activism have to do with kindergarten?
    Uhh literally everything

    SJWs never really graduated past kindergarten
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