And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
You are biased toward the dams. No dam building, no Joe Rantz building muscles and getting his whistle cleaned at the Coulee City whore house. No Joe Rantz big dicking, no 1936 Olympic gold. No Olympic gold, Cal runs off a 70 year dynasty and UW is matched in friendlies vs WSC at Crescent Bar in still raging Columbia River. @YellowSnow destined to convert to the brotherhood and marry his LDS cousin instead of hot tall Amazon.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.
I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.
But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947.
Hoover dam as amazing as it is, was chicken shit compared to the dam building binge that occurred in the 1930's and 40's as part of the New Deal.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
You are biased toward the dams. No dam building, no Joe Rantz building muscles and getting his whistle cleaned at the Coulee City whore house. No Joe Rantz big dicking, no 1936 Olympic gold. No Olympic gold, Cal runs off a 70 year dynasty and UW is matched in friendlies vs WSC at Crescent Bar in still raging Columbia River. @YellowSnow destined to convert to the brotherhood and marry his LDS cousin instead of hot tall Amazon.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947.
Hoover dam as amazing as it is, was chicken shit compared to the dam building binge that occurred in the 1930's and 40's as part of the New Deal.
Great, but it isn't as if they didn't know about dam building before FDR.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
His policies did not end the Depression. They did, however, show Americans that we were trying to DO SOMETHING. In the end, the center held and no radical left or rightwing elements gained power in this country. We won 2 massive wars at once and emerged at the most powerful nation on Earth by the time FDR died. We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
His policies kept the economy from recovering as swiftly as it would have if the government had done nothing. You might as well say that his FDR also prevented us from being invaded by Mars.
We can only judge the man on what happened vs what might have happened.
Which is exactly what you did in your assessment of FDR.
It can also be said that the shit that he did get done in the 1930's ended WWII a few years earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. You know what 3 things it takes a shit ton of juice to make, right, and what the only country on Earth was in 1939 to have a huge surplus supply of said juice?
The two really big bodies of water on either side of the continental US kind of made that only country with huge juice status possible.
And he got the dams built on both of them as part of the DO SOMETHING agenda. W/o those dams no easy refinement of aluminum for airplanes and no uranium and plutonium for the bombs.
So without FDR and the depression we would have sat around with our thumbs up are asses wondering what those rivers could be used for. Got it. To this day we would be stuck in 1920s technology
Yet somehow, they were able to figure out the importance of dams on the Colorado river before FDR.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947.
Hoover dam as amazing as it is, was chicken shit compared to the dam building binge that occurred in the 1930's and 40's as part of the New Deal.
Great, but it isn't as if they didn't know about dam building before FDR.
They either got built as part of the New Deal or they didn't. We have to judge FDR on the entirety of the body of work. If WWII never happens then he doesn't run in 1940 probably and he's not on a dime, and it takes the US longer to come out of the Depression. Better to be lucky than good sometimes.
And just like the dictator Trump, FDR interned 120,000 American citizens in prison camps. Yellow man bad.
He also turned a blind eye and accommodated the members of his party who imposed the apartheid/Jim Crow/lynching system on black Americans all in order maintain political power.
But, but, but he got us out of the Depression.
Another myth
Churchill did more for US economic recovery than Roosevelt ever did.
Not saying a lot since FDR did the opposite of help the economy recover
There's a reason why FDR's recovery from the Depression was as weak and anemic and prolonged as Obama's was from the 2007-2008 meltdown.
It’s only that pesky data that fucks up your argument.
Yeah, the New Deal was doing great to "fix" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office.
FDR took office in 1932?
No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.
That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
FDR made the trains run on time post of the day
So what if some Jews fried
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
FDR made the trains run on time post of the day
So what if some Jews fried
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
That wouldn't have been hard for American academics and historians to ferret out
Many of them aren’t anxious to tease out ridiculous hot takes. That’s more a “classical liberal” shtick.
FDR made the trains run on time post of the day
So what if some Jews fried
FDR could have done more to help save the Jews of Europe. He also needs to be judged based on the context of the times. He didn't sign the 1924 Immigration Act into Law which closed the gates to basically EVERYONE including Jews. The USA wasn't nativist and isolationist in the 1930s because of FDR.
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@dflea and @swaye happy because fish.
Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover brokered the 1922 Colorado River Compact to divide the water proportionally among the seven states, but the legal wrangling continued until outgoing President Calvin Coolidge authorized the Boulder Canyon Project in December 1928. In honor of the new president’s contributions, Secretary of the Interior Ray L. Wilbur announced the structure would be called Hoover Dam at a 1930 dedication ceremony, though the name didn’t become official until 1947.
I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.
But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
Unemployment rate 1931 - 15.9% the year before FDR took office and "fixed" the economy.
Unemployment rate 1938 - 19%. six years after FDR took office.
And, yes, my dam fettish is strong. I grew up in Southern California and the people there don't have enough dam repseck.
So what if some Jews fried
He was anti semitic like most of his class