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Leftist hero FDR an anti Semite piece of shit

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,794 Founders Club

    He turned at least one ship away

    He was anti semitic like most of his class

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    FDR destroyed private investment with his "DO SOMETHING" approach and mismanaged large swaths of the economy. For every damn built that had an economic return there were hundreds of other projects that were broken windows for economic gain. Swales in the farmlands anyone?

    @YellowSnow has the classic historian fallacy that it takes a strong central government to make large capital investments happen. "But who will build the roads?"

    Without 8 years of mismanagement of the economy the USA would have been in an even better industrial position to win the war.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    That's not even getting into his social/political legacy of packing courts, enshrining entitlements, internment camps, etc.

    It's a fairly uncontroversial opinion in economics that FDR prolonged the depression and made its effects worse.

    FDR's record for Econ is arguing about if he went 1-11 or owen.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    SFGbob said:

    No, he took office in March 1933. By the end of that year the unemployment rate was 24.9% Feel the "fixing" of the economy.
    So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.
    Oh, did you want to discuss economics again? I thought the last few times you were shown to lack a high school level of knowledge of the subject matter were good enough.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,794 Founders Club

    FDR destroyed private investment with his "DO SOMETHING" approach and mismanaged large swaths of the economy. For every damn built that had an economic return there were hundreds of other projects that were broken windows for economic gain. Swales in the farmlands anyone?

    @YellowSnow has the classic historian fallacy that it takes a strong central government to make large capital investments happen. "But who will build the roads?"

    Without 8 years of mismanagement of the economy the USA would have been in an even better industrial position to win the war.

    You're looking at history based on what was theoretically possible. I'm looking at it from the vantage point of what actually happened.

    As I've clearly stated multiple times in this thread much of FDR's policies were counter-productive.

    Where was the private capital to build the dams in the 1930's that won the War? Where was the private capital to build the water infrastructure that sustains your existence in CA?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam

    You're looking at history based on what was theoretically possible. I'm looking at it from the vantage point of what actually happened.

    As I've clearly stated multiple times in this thread much of FDR's policies were counter-productive.

    Where was the private capital to build the dams in the 1930's that won the War? Where was the private capital to build the water infrastructure that sustains your existence in CA?
    That capital was being withdrawn or withheld on the basis of taxation and what FDR was attempting or proposing to do to assets.

    Even at peak during the depression you are talking 10%? Of GDP for ALL of government expenditures.

    The capital was very much there. The trouble is that you aren't going to build a damn with it if there's a very real risk of the government ceasing that asset. You are going to buy gold and bury it somewhere the government doesn't know about.

    I'm on mobile atm but will point you to some very good authors later that address the subject better than I will. A historian like yourself would enjoy the read I suspect.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,155 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020

    That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.

    I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.

    But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
    HHusky said:

    So unemployment was at its highest at the beginning of his presidency. Glad we agree. And Daddy would kill for the economic growth numbers.
    You’re a real math whiz as well as legal scholar.

    1+1 = 2 means 100% year over year growth POTD.





  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2020

    That's not what I am saying. But the greatest infrastructure building period in the history of this country occurred in the 1930s as a response to the Depression. All that cool shit we built helped contribute to the massive economic gain which occurred from 1945- 70.

    I'm fine with your argument that bad monetary policy among other things prolonged the Depression. Hindsight's 20/20 on this. FDR didn't fix the problem. Reelecting Hoover wouldn't have either. Our collective understanding of economis at the time sucked.

    But if were being objective of students of History vis-a-vis FDR we have to weight the good achievements against the bad.
    The fact is many knew what was happening with monetary policy and refused to change. And I fact encouraged it as a way to advance socialist policy.

    I'll link this here because there is a chance you'll read it. Certainly won't be read by the tug leftists. You probably the only one who will actually even consider reading it.
    https://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    Anyone else amused that the antI-immigrant Tug isolationists are bagging on FDR for not using his political capital to rescue European Jews?
    JFC you're a dumbshit
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    JFC you're a dumbshit
    You're being far too charitable.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,794 Founders Club

    The fact is many knew what was happening with monetary policy and refused to change. And I fact encouraged it as a way to advance socialist policy.

    I'll link this here because there is a chance you'll read it. Certainly won't be read by the tug leftists. You probably the only one who will actually even consider reading it.
    https://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth
    I might have read this piece or something similar before. I will read again when time allows.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,106 Founders Club

    Which is what I just said above.

    - FDR was a bigot and a racist.

    - Washington was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jefferson was a bigot and a racist.

    - Lincoln was a bigot and a racist.

    - Jackson was a bigot and a racist

    - Wilson was a bigot and racist.

    What's your point? Are you going to write a piece for the NYT on the 1619 project?
    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,763 Standard Supporter

    That's not even getting into his social/political legacy of packing courts, enshrining entitlements, internment camps, etc.

    It's a fairly uncontroversial opinion in economics that FDR prolonged the depression and made its effects worse.

    FDR's record for Econ is arguing about if he went 1-11 or owen.

    He had to slow the recovery down so he had tim to get his guys in. Every coach knows that it takes tim.


    Conspiracy theory: Depression had to happen so big government could control banking and get off gold standard.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,326 Founders Club
    Support for FDR’s policies is highly misguided.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123353276749137485
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,794 Founders Club

    My point us that your spirited defense of a socialist anti semite is jarring compared to your never Trumper stance.

    It's odd for a conservative IMO

    If you want results you got em. Instead you all are helping today's socialists win

    I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.

    Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.

    Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam

    I'm don't apply today's moral standards on the men and women of many generations ago. Your ancestors were bigots and racists. So were mine. Everyone was back then. That's the beauty of America - we can grow out of it and be better humans.

    Where have I ever accused Trump of being a racist in this space? I think he's made some comments which are counter-productive and bad optics. I don't know what is in the man's heart.

    Being anti-trump is not helping socialists win. I don't live in WI, PA, or MI. I don't interact with any voters that live in those states. @Mad_Son doesn't play in the Tug. I fight the progressives every day in Seattle.
    I'm hearing that yellow is a transphobic bigot. Just what I'm hearing don't twist.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,348

    I’m about ready to say Fuck It and buy a MAGA hat. I don’t fucking care.

    My kid just came home with the flyer to buy the official SPS elementary school BLM t shirt. What the fuck does SJW political activism have to do with kindergarten?
    Uhh literally everything

    SJWs never really graduated past kindergarten
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