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As bad as Bush was, we still scored 35 against Oregon and 28 against Utah. Just put the talent in the game, open up the field and let them play. It's not rocket science.Kingdome_Urinals said:
I'm kind of with you on this. The success of the offense will depend on the talent we have and Jimmy's leadership.1to392831weretaken said:
@RoadDawg55 and @Houhusky are killin' it in this thread. That being said, I've been onboard with the above quote from the day Bush was fired.sonics1993 said:
Hard to like the hire looking at his resume. This is situation where you let Jimmy hire/fire whomever he wants and then judge his decisions a year from now.RoadDawg55 said:
You like the hire?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
Today has been entertaining for me rather than stressful, as I fully expected a thud of a hire. Why? Because that's all that's even remotely possible. Let's run down the possible list of OC candidates:
1.) A coach who just got fired.
2.) A coach from a lesser team who you can lure to the "big time."
3.) A gamble on a position coach yearning for a promotion, NFL or NCAA.
That's it. If you're Alabama, you can actually make hay with category 2 and find somebody that excites you (yet they choose Sark, so...). If you're Washington? There is not a single coach in the country from any of those three categories who is going to seem like a slam dunk. So--just logically--it makes sense to prepare for either a who.gif hire or a disappointing one. This hire did not disappoint--in the sense of my expectations being met!--as I have no idea who the fuck he is. The only thing you can do with that kind or hire (read: any hire UW was realistically going to get) is watch some hopefully-not-awful football next year, see what happens, and guzzle bleach or call for death if it deserves it.
ATBS, Roadie, HouHusky, et al are right in that coaching matters way more than 25%. I'd take it further and say that head coaching matters way more than 25%. It's impossible to deny this when looking at what Swinney, Saban, Meyer have achieved. When Urban Meyer can win like he did at four different schools (and it's not like he took all of his assistants and coordinators with him to every stop), it sort of throws the "coaching doesn't matter" theory right out the window.
In short, I don't give a fuck who the coordinators are--at least not until after they fail. If Jimmy Lake is a championship level coach, he'll win with a sack of potatoes in a headset manning the booth. He honed his craft listening to people who know their shit in the NFL, is not satisfied to rest on his laurels and continues to seek advice from those at the top of the game, and he's one of the best DB coaches in the country as a result. If he demands this same kind of dedication to continuous improvement from every member of the staff, manages them in the proper way, and holds them accountable for failure, he'll be a successful head coach and the team will win games. If not, the team will lose and he will flame out.
TL;DR, I'd pull this kind of balance out of my ass:
50% recruiting
10-20% coaching
whatever's left Lake's leadership.
I'm not dooging or HHBing. No fucking idea how this is going to go, so LIPO. [Insert multi-million per year NFL offensive genius HC or OC here] wasn't walking through the door to OC the Huskies, so this was always going to be the case regardless of the hire.
Within any given scheme all OC's will call roughly the same kind of stuff, if you have the athletes and execute it will go pretty well.
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In other words, the I've-got-special-insight-and-I'm-smarter-than-everyone approach. If the only diamonds to be found were in the rough, fair enough, but it sounds as though some established diamonds were deemed imperfect or not even examined.Kingdome_Urinals said:
I think Jimmy values any kind of NFL experience. He probably feels he learned a ton in the league even though he didn't have some great position and he sees something similar in Donovan.Quietcowskee said:
I think Jimmy saw a lot of himself in Donovan. He’s roughly the same age, bald, and was an overachieving DB who bounced around college before getting an NFL education.theLSkid said:Here’s what probably went down..
Jimmy Montlake LOVES ‘NFL Guys’. Adams has made some good NFL Talent, Huff has been a little bit of a miss but probably didn’t want to lose this years OL class. Donny boy has NFL all over him, thus bringing Jimmy to hire him over other possible candidates. It’s OBVIOUS he wanted Kellen Moore, due to the NFL experience. He picked the off brand Kellen to run the offense.
Yikes?
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I saw Sam Darnold win a Rose Bowl. Let's not forget that Max Browne started that seasonsonics1993 said:
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.dnc said:
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.sonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
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so you expect the fans to act like actual adultssonics1993 said:
Hard to like the hire looking at his resume. This is situation where you let Jimmy hire/fire whomever he wants and then judge his decisions a year from now.RoadDawg55 said:
You like the hire?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications? -
I think it's more of the former. LSU is fairly similar to UW in that their offense was not nearly as good as it should have been, for years. They desperately needed a change to an outdated scheme - sounds familiar. They had elite talent that made them amazing once the correct change was made. UW's talent isn't there, but isn't that far off either.RoadDawg55 said:
It will be interesting to see how Brady does next year at LSU or elsewhere. Was it a perfect storm or is he truly a mastermind coach?insinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Jimmy isn't dumb, so he had to have seen or heard *something* to want to put this guy in charge of his offense for 3 years...but it sure as hell isn't obvious to the rest of us what that something is. We'll see how it plays out, but it seems like with this hire Lake significantly shortened the leash fans were willing to give him.
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but it seems like with this hire Lake significantly shortened the leash fans were willing to give him.
BIG BALLZ JIMMY! -
@sonics1993 did Franklin and Lake talk? Do you think Franklin recommended Donovan to Lake?
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Don’t knowBendDawg24 said:@sonics1993 did Franklin and Lake talk? Do you think Franklin recommended Donovan to Lake?
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The resume is underwhelming enough, but hiring an OC who couldn’t even get his own position group after 4 years in the NFL is also disappointing. If he really was just a big proponent in some of their successes you would’ve thanked they would’ve had to try harder to keep him around given his position.
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No Chip Long?sonics1993 said:
Yursich and Moore were on top, Monken was a guy Jimmy was really interest in but Monken wasn't interested in us.insinceredawg said:
Who was on the list? Yursich and Moore we know, anyone else?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
