College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
Disagree.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.
If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it. I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
I want to be wrong.
He was brought in because Jimmy liked what he saw from the LSU offense and wanted a guy from that tree. Don't know why he wouldn't go after Moorehead but only he can answer that question. OC's don't need to be strong recruiters since they aren't lead recruiters, they just need build relationships.
Simply having a good offense that puts up a lot of points helps recruiting.
In order to our recruit the big boys, you need great recruiters. That said, half of our classes are guys that come to UW because that is their best offer and the most prestigious school after them. Not all players come to a school because of their position coach. It plays a role. It’s not the only role. Very far from it actually.
Relationships are by far the number one factor in recruiting.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
Disagree.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.
If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it. I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
I want to be wrong.
He was brought in because Jimmy liked what he saw from the LSU offense and wanted a guy from that tree. Don't know why he wouldn't go after Moorehead but only he can answer that question. OC's don't need to be strong recruiters since they aren't lead recruiters, they just need build relationships.
Simply having a good offense that puts up a lot of points helps recruiting.
In order to our recruit the big boys, you need great recruiters. That said, half of our classes are guys that come to UW because that is their best offer and the most prestigious school after them. Not all players come to a school because of their position coach. It plays a role. It’s not the only role. Very far from it actually.
Relationships are by far the number one factor in recruiting.
It’s a factor. Players aren’t going to the blue bloods because they have the best relationships with them. School prestige, location, playing time, scheme, academics, family pressure, etc. There are tons of reasons. I’m not arguing that relationships aren’t important. They are.
The reality is tho that these kids have good relationships with a lot of coaches. These coaches are buttering them up and selling them on their school.
If Tosh became the DL coach at WSU, he still would not beat out Malloe for 95% of DL recruits. UW is considered the better place to play. Recruits mainly go to schools by tier. There is no one answer for recruiting.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
Disagree.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.
If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it. I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
I want to be wrong.
He was brought in because Jimmy liked what he saw from the LSU offense and wanted a guy from that tree. Don't know why he wouldn't go after Moorehead but only he can answer that question. OC's don't need to be strong recruiters since they aren't lead recruiters, they just need build relationships.
Simply having a good offense that puts up a lot of points helps recruiting.
In order to our recruit the big boys, you need great recruiters. That said, half of our classes are guys that come to UW because that is their best offer and the most prestigious school after them. Not all players come to a school because of their position coach. It plays a role. It’s not the only role. Very far from it actually.
Relationships are by far the number one factor in recruiting.
It’s a factor. Players aren’t going to the blue bloods because they have the best relationships with them. School prestige, location, playing time, scheme, academics, family pressure, etc. There are tons of reasons. I’m not arguing that relationships aren’t important. They are.
The reality is tho that these kids have good relationships with a lot of coaches. These coaches are buttering them up and selling them on their school.
If Tosh became the DL coach at WSU, he still would not beat out Malloe for 95% of DL recruits. UW is considered the better place to play. Recruits mainly go to schools by tier. There is no one answer for recruiting.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Sounds good but couldn’t we just hire him as the tight end coach. Putting him in charge just seems like a Hail Mary.
College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
Disagree.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.
Recruiting only matters if you have a good coach
ergo, therefore, ipso fatso...
1) coaching 2) recruiting
but you still need both.
As far as value... there are far fewer great coaches/developers than there are guys that can slide coffee cups to high schoolers.
Great recruiters are a plus when they have something to sell. I’m sure Oregon State and WSU have a coach or two that all recruits love but still won’t go there because it’s WSU and Oregon State.
There is no bigger case against the "recruiting is all that matters" mantra than Mora's tenure at UCLA. In one recruiting class (2015) they had the #1 QB, #1 RB, #2 pass rusher, and #1 TE all in the same class. Every one of them turned into a big pile of shit because they were so poorly coached.
Also, the whole hand wringing of "Cristobal's recruiting has put Oregon over UW" is also bullshit. He won the pac 12 this year with a bunch of upper classmen who had started since they were freshmen. UW and Oregon are essentially even in blue chip talent.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Sounds good but couldn’t we just hire him as the tight end coach. Putting him in charge just seems like a Hail Mary.
You got to ask Jimmy on that one. Either he's a genius or he's in over his head. We will find out in a year.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
It will be interesting to see how Brady does next year at LSU or elsewhere. Was it a perfect storm or is he truly a mastermind coach?
There is no bigger case against the "recruiting is all that matters" mantra than Mora's tenure at UCLA. In one recruiting class (2015) they had the #1 QB, #1 RB, #2 pass rusher, and #1 TE all in the same class. Every one of them turned into a big pile of shit because they were so poorly coached.
Also, the whole hand wringing of "Cristobal's recruiting has put Oregon over UW" is also bullshit. He won the pac 12 this year with a bunch of upper classmen who had started since they were freshmen. UW and Oregon are essentially even in blue chip talent.
4 of their 5 starting OL were there before Cristobal got there and were recruited by Helfrich. Herbert and Troy Dye too.
He’s recruiting well which should make them a factor. They aren’t going anywhere, but you make a good point. He’s doing a good job. I’m not completely sold on him being elite, but he’s proven to be good with the potential to be very good.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
So true
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxes -Knows Joe Brady -Has NFL experience -Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
So true
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxes -Knows Joe Brady -Has NFL experience -Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
So true
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxes -Knows Joe Brady -Has NFL experience -Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
So true
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxes -Knows Joe Brady -Has NFL experience -Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.
You like the hire?
Hard to like the hire looking at his resume. This is situation where you let Jimmy hire/fire whomever he wants and then judge his decisions a year from now.
@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.
So true
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxes -Knows Joe Brady -Has NFL experience -Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.
Who was on the list? Yursich and Moore we know, anyone else?
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The reality is tho that these kids have good relationships with a lot of coaches. These coaches are buttering them up and selling them on their school.
If Tosh became the DL coach at WSU, he still would not beat out Malloe for 95% of DL recruits. UW is considered the better place to play. Recruits mainly go to schools by tier. There is no one answer for recruiting.
Also, the whole hand wringing of "Cristobal's recruiting has put Oregon over UW" is also bullshit. He won the pac 12 this year with a bunch of upper classmen who had started since they were freshmen. UW and Oregon are essentially even in blue chip talent.
He’s recruiting well which should make them a factor. They aren’t going anywhere, but you make a good point. He’s doing a good job. I’m not completely sold on him being elite, but he’s proven to be good with the potential to be very good.
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?