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Yursich and Moore were on top, Monken was a guy Jimmy was really interest in but Monken wasn't interested in us.insinceredawg said:
Who was on the list? Yursich and Moore we know, anyone else?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
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@RoadDawg55 and @Houhusky are killin' it in this thread. That being said, I've been onboard with the above quote from the day Bush was fired.sonics1993 said:
Hard to like the hire looking at his resume. This is situation where you let Jimmy hire/fire whomever he wants and then judge his decisions a year from now.RoadDawg55 said:
You like the hire?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
Today has been entertaining for me rather than stressful, as I fully expected a thud of a hire. Why? Because that's all that's even remotely possible. Let's run down the possible list of OC candidates:
1.) A coach who just got fired.
2.) A coach from a lesser team who you can lure to the "big time."
3.) A gamble on a position coach yearning for a promotion, NFL or NCAA.
That's it. If you're Alabama, you can actually make hay with category 2 and find somebody that excites you (yet they choose Sark, so...). If you're Washington? There is not a single coach in the country from any of those three categories who is going to seem like a slam dunk. So--just logically--it makes sense to prepare for either a who.gif hire or a disappointing one. This hire did not disappoint--in the sense of my expectations being met!--as I have no idea who the fuck he is. The only thing you can do with that kind or hire (read: any hire UW was realistically going to get) is watch some hopefully-not-awful football next year, see what happens, and guzzle bleach or call for death if it deserves it.
ATBS, Roadie, HouHusky, et al are right in that coaching matters way more than 25%. I'd take it further and say that head coaching matters way more than 25%. It's impossible to deny this when looking at what Swinney, Saban, Meyer have achieved. When Urban Meyer can win like he did at four different schools (and it's not like he took all of his assistants and coordinators with him to every stop), it sort of throws the "coaching doesn't matter" theory right out the window.
In short, I don't give a fuck who the coordinators are--at least not until after they fail. If Jimmy Lake is a championship level coach, he'll win with a sack of potatoes in a headset manning the booth. He honed his craft listening to people who know their shit in the NFL, is not satisfied to rest on his laurels and continues to seek advice from those at the top of the game, and he's one of the best DB coaches in the country as a result. If he demands this same kind of dedication to continuous improvement from every member of the staff, manages them in the proper way, and holds them accountable for failure, he'll be a successful head coach and the team will win games. If not, the team will lose and he will flame out.
TL;DR, I'd pull this kind of balance out of my ass:
50% recruiting
10-20% coaching
whatever's left Lake's leadership.
I'm not dooging or HHBing. No fucking idea how this is going to go, so LIPO. [Insert multi-million per year NFL offensive genius HC or OC here] wasn't walking through the door to OC the Huskies, so this was always going to be the case regardless of the hire.
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Here’s what probably went down..
Jimmy Montlake LOVES ‘NFL Guys’. Adams has made some good NFL Talent, Huff has been a little bit of a miss but probably didn’t want to lose this years OL class. Donny boy has NFL all over him, thus bringing Jimmy to hire him over other possible candidates. It’s OBVIOUS he wanted Kellen Moore, due to the NFL experience. He picked the off brand Kellen to run the offense.
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I think Jimmy saw a lot of himself in Donovan. He’s roughly the same age, bald, and was an overachieving DB who bounced around college before getting an NFL education.theLSkid said:Here’s what probably went down..
Jimmy Montlake LOVES ‘NFL Guys’. Adams has made some good NFL Talent, Huff has been a little bit of a miss but probably didn’t want to lose this years OL class. Donny boy has NFL all over him, thus bringing Jimmy to hire him over other possible candidates. It’s OBVIOUS he wanted Kellen Moore, due to the NFL experience. He picked the off brand Kellen to run the offense.
Yikes?
He looked at this guy and saw a white, non-charismatic version of himself. -
@sonics1993 has said some specific things that make me think he actually knows something here... Reading between the lines, apparently what happened is the obvious options said no or got another job, then Jimmy had the brilliant idea of calling up 30-year-old Joe Brady to pick his brain/get a recommendation and Brady threw Donovan a bone. The dude who gave Brady his first big shot and was wallowing in NFL 20th coach obscurity, who kept in touch with Brady probably in some mentor/father figure capacity, and dreaming/despairing of getting another shot.
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This is the main explanation for what happened in 2019 ... particularly on offensesonics1993 said:Pete messed up not playing the talent and choosing the seniors over the younger players, Jimmy can't make that same mistake.
On one hand, it’s understandable to be loyal to a bunch of seniors that had delivered huge results in the past 3-4 years
On the other, it is easy to start losing your locker room when the players can see that the better players aren’t playing and seniority is being rewarded -
If you want the Joe Brady magic, why not reach out to this guy:
https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/joe-lombard
Or if you're not that audacious, this guy:
https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/brendan-nugent
Or you know, the guy who launched him on his starward trajectory, Joe Moorhead. -
I'm kind of with you on this. The success of the offense will depend on the talent we have and Jimmy's leadership.1to392831weretaken said:
@RoadDawg55 and @Houhusky are killin' it in this thread. That being said, I've been onboard with the above quote from the day Bush was fired.sonics1993 said:
Hard to like the hire looking at his resume. This is situation where you let Jimmy hire/fire whomever he wants and then judge his decisions a year from now.RoadDawg55 said:
You like the hire?sonics1993 said:
We all know Donovan wasn't the first option. Jimmy went down the list, liked what he heard about Donovan, interviewed him and then hired him. We will find out in a year if he made the right decision.insinceredawg said:
So Donovan got hired because he checks these boxessonics1993 said:
So trueinsinceredawg said:
Joe Brady is the new Sean McVay. Anyone who's ever been in a room with him is going to get offers.sonics1993 said:
True but him and Donovan still keep in touch and communicate.insinceredawg said:
Brady was a GA under Donovan prior to his time under Moorhead and Sean Payton. I think it's safe to say what Brady brought to LSU he learned from the latter.sonics1993 said:
Didn't know about him but knew Jimmy was studying the LSU tape a lot. When I heard about the connection to Brady and the feedback received it made sense.KrunkJuice said:@sonics1993 - How shocked were you about this hire? Did you know about him prior to the announcement?
-Knows Joe Brady
-Has NFL experience
-Has OC experience
Was there no one else that had these qualifications?
Today has been entertaining for me rather than stressful, as I fully expected a thud of a hire. Why? Because that's all that's even remotely possible. Let's run down the possible list of OC candidates:
1.) A coach who just got fired.
2.) A coach from a lesser team who you can lure to the "big time."
3.) A gamble on a position coach yearning for a promotion, NFL or NCAA.
That's it. If you're Alabama, you can actually make hay with category 2 and find somebody that excites you (yet they choose Sark, so...). If you're Washington? There is not a single coach in the country from any of those three categories who is going to seem like a slam dunk. So--just logically--it makes sense to prepare for either a who.gif hire or a disappointing one. This hire did not disappoint--in the sense of my expectations being met!--as I have no idea who the fuck he is. The only thing you can do with that kind or hire (read: any hire UW was realistically going to get) is watch some hopefully-not-awful football next year, see what happens, and guzzle bleach or call for death if it deserves it.
ATBS, Roadie, HouHusky, et al are right in that coaching matters way more than 25%. I'd take it further and say that head coaching matters way more than 25%. It's impossible to deny this when looking at what Swinney, Saban, Meyer have achieved. When Urban Meyer can win like he did at four different schools (and it's not like he took all of his assistants and coordinators with him to every stop), it sort of throws the "coaching doesn't matter" theory right out the window.
In short, I don't give a fuck who the coordinators are--at least not until after they fail. If Jimmy Lake is a championship level coach, he'll win with a sack of potatoes in a headset manning the booth. He honed his craft listening to people who know their shit in the NFL, is not satisfied to rest on his laurels and continues to seek advice from those at the top of the game, and he's one of the best DB coaches in the country as a result. If he demands this same kind of dedication to continuous improvement from every member of the staff, manages them in the proper way, and holds them accountable for failure, he'll be a successful head coach and the team will win games. If not, the team will lose and he will flame out.
TL;DR, I'd pull this kind of balance out of my ass:
50% recruiting
10-20% coaching
whatever's left Lake's leadership.
I'm not dooging or HHBing. No fucking idea how this is going to go, so LIPO. [Insert multi-million per year NFL offensive genius HC or OC here] wasn't walking through the door to OC the Huskies, so this was always going to be the case regardless of the hire.
Within any given scheme all OC's will call roughly the same kind of stuff, if you have the athletes and execute it will go pretty well.
This guy will do what Jimmy says and I guess he feels he can work with him. -
I think Jimmy values any kind of NFL experience. He probably feels he learned a ton in the league even though he didn't have some great position and he sees something similar in Donovan.Quietcowskee said:
I think Jimmy saw a lot of himself in Donovan. He’s roughly the same age, bald, and was an overachieving DB who bounced around college before getting an NFL education.theLSkid said:Here’s what probably went down..
Jimmy Montlake LOVES ‘NFL Guys’. Adams has made some good NFL Talent, Huff has been a little bit of a miss but probably didn’t want to lose this years OL class. Donny boy has NFL all over him, thus bringing Jimmy to hire him over other possible candidates. It’s OBVIOUS he wanted Kellen Moore, due to the NFL experience. He picked the off brand Kellen to run the offense.
Yikes?
He looked at this guy and saw a white, non-charismatic version of himself.
