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I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.dnc said:
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.sonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
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By the way ASU hired a 27 year WR coach and 24 year old DB this past off season because Herm realized recruiting is what matters the most. Bring in talent, let them play and you will win the majority of your games. Pete messed up not playing the talent and choosing the seniors over the younger players, Jimmy can't make that same mistake.
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If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.sonics1993 said:
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.dnc said:
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.sonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it.
I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
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ASU hasn’t won shit. We will see how that turns out for Herm. Nobody is arguing that recruiting isn’t important, but that’s not an example of anything other than Herm made some coaching changes.sonics1993 said:By the way ASU hired a 27 year WR coach and 24 year old DB this past off season because Herm realized recruiting is what matters the most. Bring in talent, let them play and you will win the majority of your games. Pete messed up not playing the talent and choosing the seniors over the younger players, Jimmy can't make that same mistake.
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Btw, I thought Pete didn’t make the decisions on who played. We all know he did play at least some role, but I believe even you have posted that before.
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He was brought in because Jimmy liked what he saw from the LSU offense and wanted a guy from that tree. Don't know why he wouldn't go after Moorehead but only he can answer that question. OC's don't need to be strong recruiters since they aren't lead recruiters, they just need build relationships.AtomicDawg said:
If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.sonics1993 said:
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.dnc said:
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.sonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it.
I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
I want to be wrong. -
Herm already has talent In the secondary and some of them regressed this year. Herm is a 9-9 coach. Why is everyone so quick to celebrate what he’s done when his predecessor was more successful.sonics1993 said:By the way ASU hired a 27 year WR coach and 24 year old DB this past off season because Herm realized recruiting is what matters the most. Bring in talent, let them play and you will win the majority of your games. Pete messed up not playing the talent and choosing the seniors over the younger players, Jimmy can't make that same mistake.
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Oh, i'm not celebrating him at all, just saying it shows what his primary focus is when hiring coaches. Who knows if it will work but I like the strategy, especially with USC and UCLA downAtomicDawg said:
Herm already has talent In the secondary and some of them regressed this year. Herm is a 9-9 coach. Why is everyone so quick to celebrate what he’s done when his predecessor was more successful.sonics1993 said:By the way ASU hired a 27 year WR coach and 24 year old DB this past off season because Herm realized recruiting is what matters the most. Bring in talent, let them play and you will win the majority of your games. Pete messed up not playing the talent and choosing the seniors over the younger players, Jimmy can't make that same mistake.
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Simply having a good offense that puts up a lot of points helps recruiting.sonics1993 said:
He was brought in because Jimmy liked what he saw from the LSU offense and wanted a guy from that tree. Don't know why he wouldn't go after Moorehead but only he can answer that question. OC's don't need to be strong recruiters since they aren't lead recruiters, they just need build relationships.AtomicDawg said:
If that is the case how is this hire going to help us in recruiting? His offenses have sucked when he was in charge at penn st.sonics1993 said:
I saw Clay Helton win a rose bowl. Agree both matter but recruiting is far more important.dnc said:
Dabo was a WR coach yes but Clemson for years had the highest paid coordinators in the game.sonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
Orgeron's always been able to recruit at an insane level but this is his first year of elite results...when he hired an elite X's and O's guy.
It's not coaching or recruiting, it's both/and.
Do you see him as someone that is going to get the most out of Adams and Huff. I would doubt it. This hire smells of jimmy thinking he is smarter than everyone else and zigging when they zag. I hope this is the case, but i wouldn’t bet on it.
I’ll say it again. This guy was hired IN SPITE of his track record. This would mean he is hired based off of an idea that lake thinks will work.
I want to be wrong.
In order to our recruit the big boys, you need great recruiters. That said, half of our classes are guys that come to UW because that is their best offer and the most prestigious school after them. Not all players come to a school because of their position coach. It plays a role. It’s not the only role. Very far from it actually. -
Recruiting only matters if you have a good coachsonics1993 said:
Not in college football. The two HC's in the championship game is a WR coach in Dabo and a DL coach in Ed Oregon. Neither of them are are great coach but they are elite recruiters. Oregon won a rose bowl with a meatball OL coach as there HC and incompetent Arroyo as there OC because they accumulated talent and let played them. If Jimmy does this with our roster we will be fine.whatshouldicareabout said:
Disagree.sonics1993 said:College Football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching. Jimmy did the right thing keeping them because they bring in talent.
We lost to Cal two years in a row. Coaching is way the fuck more important than 25%
ergo, therefore, ipso fatso...
1) coaching
2) recruiting
but you still need both.
As far as value... there are far fewer great coaches/developers than there are guys that can slide coffee cups to high schoolers.
